I think 'complaining' and 'suggesting' are getting confused here. And personally I don't want to use anything else but I think it is in the interest of everyone to have better documentation. Volunteers would be needed to do that.
=20 > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Benny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Verzonden: donderdag 1 april 2004 17:37 > Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Onderwerp: [xmail] Re: Default Open Relay @ Davide >=20 > Complainers, >=20 > I do not usually get into these debates, but I know how=20 > hard it is developing little pieces of software here and=20 > there. So I can only imagine how much Davide has on his=20 > plate. Davide has never said, don't write documentation. If=20 > you are going to use opensource, than you have to understand=20 > what opensource involves. This is not MySQL, that has=20 > developers up the wazzu. This is ONE man, with contributors=20 > for any other code/projects. IF you have ever gone to=20 > xmailserver.org(sarcasm), you would notice that all of=20 > contributors links and documentation on the site. On top of=20 > it all, this list is very supportive. I haven't ran into one=20 > issue that hasn't been solved in this list. I also think=20 > it's incredibly rude to assume that Davide is not listening=20 > to other peoples ideas and what they want. Do you think that=20 > everything in XMail is only stuff that Davide wants, and he=20 > hasn't made ANY code for the user?=20 >=20 > I am going to end with this... Davide is the maintainer of=20 > XMail, if you don't like it, than you don't have to use it. =20 > Write your own mail server, or go use sendmail, qmail or=20 > something... than you can complain to whomever. Take the=20 > XMail code and add all you want to it, than release your own=20 > opensource project. Who knows, maybe Davide will thank you=20 > for getting all the complainers off his back hahaha. >=20 > Alright, I am done ranting. >=20 > ben >=20 >=20 > Matic wrote: >=20 > >Davide doesn't hate documentation but the users who DON'T=20 > READ IT. He=20 > >just want to make it as simple as possible. Besides, he=20 > already stated=20 > >that he changed his opinion regarding this issue, so now would be a=20 > >realy good time to close this thread and let the MAN work -=20 > what he does best. > > > >Matic > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Wim Verveen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:51 PM > >Subject: [xmail] Re: Default Open Relay @ Davide > > > > > > =20 > > > >>If open source just means ' please shut up' than closed=20 > source would=20 > >>be a much better alternative. I think that as a maintainer=20 > you should=20 > >>listen to the people using the software. This does not mean doing=20 > >>everything what people ask but listening. If there are things which=20 > >>the maintainer does not want to do he might delegate it to other=20 > >>people. As far as I can see Davide hates documentation. But that's=20 > >>okay, you should however in that case let other people do=20 > that job. In=20 > >>the end we might end up with both a good product AND good=20 > >>documentation. A win win situation so to say > >> > >>Wim > >> > >>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > >>Van: Dale Qualls [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Verzonden: donderdag 1 april 2004 15:54 > >>Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Onderwerp: [xmail] Re: Default Open Relay @ Davide > >> > >> > >>I guess I'm not trying to stifle it, but like everyone=20 > here, I have my=20 > >>=3D =3D3D opinions. > >> > >>I do have to ask how many times does Davide have to say "no" before=20 > >>people =3D3D realize that he's not going to make the change? =20 > People may=20 > >>=3D not be being =3D3D ungrateful, but beating this dead horse=20 > isn't going=20 > >>to make him change it. =3D3D It's HIS software (so his=20 > decision), yes=20 > >>it's open source, but that =3D3D doesn't change the fact that=20 > he's the=20 > >>writer/maintainer. Open source also =3D3D allowsfor people to = change=20 > >>the code any way they see fit, including the =3D3D defaults for the=20 > >>smtprelay.tab file. > >> > >>If you're not happy with it change it, isn't THAT the=20 > beauty of open=20 > >>=3D3D source? > >> > >>If you think the documentation isn't up to snuff, write a howto. > >>There's =3D3D one person on this list that writes a great "Beginners = > >>Guide to..." and =3D3D even he says to change it. It all=20 > comes down to=20 > >>the fact that you can =3D3D write it in 72 point text and=20 > people still won't RTFM. > >> > >>Dale > >> > >> =20 > >> > >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/31/04 10:47PM >>> > >>>>> =20 > >>>>> > >>On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 12:59, Dale Qualls wrote: > >> =20 > >> > >>>Okay, color me stupid, but is it so tough to empty the darned=3D20=20 > >>>smtprelay.t=3D3D > >>> =20 > >>> > >>ab=3D3D3D > >> =20 > >> > >>> file? > >>> =20 > >>> > >>no - but I agree it's easy to miss. Even if it was left the way it=20 > >>was and there was a file named "IMPORTANT.txt" in the root=20 > directory=20 > >>of the archive that would suffice IMHO. I have always thought a=20 > >>little more documentation (or a little more well targeted=20 > >>documentation) was appropriate. > >> > >> =20 > >> > >>>I'm amazed at everyone bitching over a great product that no one=20 > >>>pays=3D20 =3D3D > >>> =20 > >>> > >>any =3D3D3D > >> =20 > >> > >>>money for. > >>> =20 > >>> > >>Yeah this is how software improves isn't it, by everyone=20 > keeping their=20 > >>mouths shut. Nobody is being ungrateful, we are just=20 > raising issues=20 > >>and offering solutions. > >> > >>I would rather have people email me their concerns about=20 > the software=20 > >>I develop than not finding out about them till months later. > >> > >>This is the beauty of open source - the ability to actually=20 > have your=20 > >>feedback listened to and acted on. Why you are trying to=20 > stifle this=20 > >>valid conversation I do not know. > >> > >>Cheers, > >> > >>Will. > >> > >>--=3D3D20 > >>William Denniss - will@ http://tanksoftware.com/=3D3D20 > >> > >>- > >>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in=20 > >>the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general=20 > >>help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to=20 > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >>- > >>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in=20 > >>the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help:=20 > >>send the line "help" in the body of a message to=20 > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >> > >>- > >>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in=20 > >>the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help:=20 > >>send the line "help" in the body of a message to=20 > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >> =20 > >> > > > >- > >To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe=20 > xmail" in the=20 > >body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general=20 > help: send the=20 > >line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > =20 > > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe=20 > xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a=20 > message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
