Well, suggesting turns into complaining. Thats why there are 20+ emails on this issue.
Yes, you would need volunteers if you want to make the documentation "better". As previously stated by Dale Qualls, there is another effort in documentation, so you could join up with that person to give back to XMail. I am not sure the link on that effort, so if someone could post it, than maybe that might help get the ball rolling for the people that want to contribute. Ben Wim Verveen wrote: >I think 'complaining' and 'suggesting' are getting confused here. > >And personally I don't want to use anything else but I think it is in >the interest of everyone to have better documentation. Volunteers would >be needed to do that. > >=20 > > > >>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>Van: Benny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Verzonden: donderdag 1 april 2004 17:37 >>Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Onderwerp: [xmail] Re: Default Open Relay @ Davide >>=20 >>Complainers, >>=20 >> I do not usually get into these debates, but I know how=20 >>hard it is developing little pieces of software here and=20 >>there. So I can only imagine how much Davide has on his=20 >>plate. Davide has never said, don't write documentation. If=20 >>you are going to use opensource, than you have to understand=20 >>what opensource involves. This is not MySQL, that has=20 >>developers up the wazzu. This is ONE man, with contributors=20 >>for any other code/projects. IF you have ever gone to=20 >>xmailserver.org(sarcasm), you would notice that all of=20 >>contributors links and documentation on the site. On top of=20 >>it all, this list is very supportive. I haven't ran into one=20 >>issue that hasn't been solved in this list. I also think=20 >>it's incredibly rude to assume that Davide is not listening=20 >>to other peoples ideas and what they want. Do you think that=20 >>everything in XMail is only stuff that Davide wants, and he=20 >>hasn't made ANY code for the user?=20 >>=20 >>I am going to end with this... Davide is the maintainer of=20 >>XMail, if you don't like it, than you don't have to use it. =20 >>Write your own mail server, or go use sendmail, qmail or=20 >>something... than you can complain to whomever. Take the=20 >>XMail code and add all you want to it, than release your own=20 >>opensource project. Who knows, maybe Davide will thank you=20 >>for getting all the complainers off his back hahaha. >>=20 >>Alright, I am done ranting. >>=20 >>ben >>=20 >>=20 >>Matic wrote: >>=20 >> >> >>>Davide doesn't hate documentation but the users who DON'T=20 >>> >>> >>READ IT. He=20 >> >> >>>just want to make it as simple as possible. Besides, he=20 >>> >>> >>already stated=20 >> >> >>>that he changed his opinion regarding this issue, so now would be a=20 >>>realy good time to close this thread and let the MAN work -=20 >>> >>> >>what he does best. >> >> >>>Matic >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Wim Verveen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:51 PM >>>Subject: [xmail] Re: Default Open Relay @ Davide >>> >>> >>>=20 >>> >>> >>> >>>>If open source just means ' please shut up' than closed=20 >>>> >>>> >>source would=20 >> >> >>>>be a much better alternative. I think that as a maintainer=20 >>>> >>>> >>you should=20 >> >> >>>>listen to the people using the software. This does not mean doing=20 >>>>everything what people ask but listening. If there are things which=20 >>>>the maintainer does not want to do he might delegate it to other=20 >>>>people. As far as I can see Davide hates documentation. But that's=20 >>>>okay, you should however in that case let other people do=20 >>>> >>>> >>that job. In=20 >> >> >>>>the end we might end up with both a good product AND good=20 >>>>documentation. A win win situation so to say >>>> >>>>Wim >>>> >>>>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>>>Van: Dale Qualls [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>Verzonden: donderdag 1 april 2004 15:54 >>>>Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>Onderwerp: [xmail] Re: Default Open Relay @ Davide >>>> >>>> >>>>I guess I'm not trying to stifle it, but like everyone=20 >>>> >>>> >>here, I have my=20 >> >> >>>>=3D =3D3D opinions. >>>> >>>>I do have to ask how many times does Davide have to say "no" before=20 >>>>people =3D3D realize that he's not going to make the change? =20 >>>> >>>> >>People may=20 >> >> >>>>=3D not be being =3D3D ungrateful, but beating this dead horse=20 >>>> >>>> >>isn't going=20 >> >> >>>>to make him change it. =3D3D It's HIS software (so his=20 >>>> >>>> >>decision), yes=20 >> >> >>>>it's open source, but that =3D3D doesn't change the fact that=20 >>>> >>>> >>he's the=20 >> >> >>>>writer/maintainer. Open source also =3D3D allowsfor people to = >>>> >>>> >change=20 > > >>>>the code any way they see fit, including the =3D3D defaults for the=20 >>>>smtprelay.tab file. >>>> >>>>If you're not happy with it change it, isn't THAT the=20 >>>> >>>> >>beauty of open=20 >> >> >>>>=3D3D source? >>>> >>>>If you think the documentation isn't up to snuff, write a howto. >>>>There's =3D3D one person on this list that writes a great "Beginners = >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>Guide to..." and =3D3D even he says to change it. It all=20 >>>> >>>> >>comes down to=20 >> >> >>>>the fact that you can =3D3D write it in 72 point text and=20 >>>> >>>> >>people still won't RTFM. >> >> >>>>Dale >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/31/04 10:47PM >>> >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 12:59, Dale Qualls wrote: >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Okay, color me stupid, but is it so tough to empty the darned=3D20=20 >>>>>smtprelay.t=3D3D >>>>> =20 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>ab=3D3D3D >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>file? >>>>> =20 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>no - but I agree it's easy to miss. Even if it was left the way it=20 >>>>was and there was a file named "IMPORTANT.txt" in the root=20 >>>> >>>> >>directory=20 >> >> >>>>of the archive that would suffice IMHO. I have always thought a=20 >>>>little more documentation (or a little more well targeted=20 >>>>documentation) was appropriate. >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I'm amazed at everyone bitching over a great product that no one=20 >>>>>pays=3D20 =3D3D >>>>> =20 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>any =3D3D3D >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>money for. >>>>> =20 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Yeah this is how software improves isn't it, by everyone=20 >>>> >>>> >>keeping their=20 >> >> >>>>mouths shut. Nobody is being ungrateful, we are just=20 >>>> >>>> >>raising issues=20 >> >> >>>>and offering solutions. >>>> >>>>I would rather have people email me their concerns about=20 >>>> >>>> >>the software=20 >> >> >>>>I develop than not finding out about them till months later. >>>> >>>>This is the beauty of open source - the ability to actually=20 >>>> >>>> >>have your=20 >> >> >>>>feedback listened to and acted on. Why you are trying to=20 >>>> >>>> >>stifle this=20 >> >> >>>>valid conversation I do not know. >>>> >>>>Cheers, >>>> >>>>Will. >>>> >>>>--=3D3D20 >>>>William Denniss - will@ http://tanksoftware.com/=3D3D20 >>>> >>>>- >>>>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in=20 >>>>the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general=20 >>>>help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to=20 >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>>- >>>>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in=20 >>>>the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help:=20 >>>>send the line "help" in the body of a message to=20 >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>- >>>>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in=20 >>>>the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help:=20 >>>>send the line "help" in the body of a message to=20 >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>- >>>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe=20 >>> >>> >>xmail" in the=20 >> >> >>>body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general=20 >>> >>> >>help: send the=20 >> >> >>>line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>>=20 >>> >>> >>> >>- >>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe=20 >>xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a=20 >>message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> >> >- >To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in >the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
