*No matter our strong wishes, some things will not just wither away and dissipate into thin air, but we move on comrades,*
Comrades, if you do not want us to discuss the issue of succession due to its timing or whatever the reasons you have respectively substantiated above, it is then fine and understandable, but then the issue should not be reserved strictly for the privileged few, purpoting to be more ANC than others, meeting in cigar smoke filled rooms and talking over single malts and alone debating, deciding and wanting to impose to us their ambitions. COSATU may have been pushed to the corner and pressured to retract what i view as an honest open approach to a vital and yet a thorny issue of succession which has indeed become a historic challenge of the NLM, the ANC. In no way would this stinging thorn that attracts every activist in our body politc just wither away as per our own *ideal* wishes. And neither should we view our participation on these debates as any form of distraction of attention to service delivery or an negligence of the dire situation that is currently preying on the working class in the form of the international crisis of capitalism. Moving on comrades, i am bringing a different take in terms of what i think of the rather mischevious behaviour of treasury. There is an article published in *The Times:June 07, 2009* ( http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/News/Article.aspx?id=1013493). The article is titled "Treasury unit to probe awarding of tenders". If we have now established a monitoring capacity in the presidency, which i would like to beleive it is going to have authority to evaluate consistently not only on the perfomance & capacity of departments and public entities, but also on governance matters and also the conduct of public officials, why then do we have treasury jumping the gun wanting to establish such a duplication in their department? Of course i understand the key role that a treasury department in any state plays, which broadly involves assessing and analysing the feasibilities of business plans for departments and state entities at various levels and also ensure that the books balance in terms of budgetary and fiscal allocations. Their role is not at all to inluence nor contest the macro economic ideology but rather to act as per their political manifesto mandate within the framework of a constitutional obligation. Are they trying to take the role of the auditor general then? Of course not, so it means those high level skilled bureacrats in the form of analysts, economists who have enjoyed the privileges of public policy influence through treasury in the previous years of *gear* are now trying by all means to chip away through their creative and enticing means the power that is returned back to the masses in the form of our elected political represenatives by designing units such as the one they are proposing as stated in the times. If we are not careful enough we will find our electoral political power having gone back to the hands of the bureaucratic elites whom we have previously witnessed harrassing ministers and MP's refusing with the budgetary allocations, undermining political representatives and acting as per what they always claimed as their mechanically fiducial responsibilities as defined by how they understand bureaucratic public service without any ideology. Asikhulume... On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Zingisani Nkanjeni < [email protected]> wrote: > cdes > we should understand that ANC is not the ferm where you lead until you die > the is policies in place that guide the movement so cde Vavi he need to > apologies to the nation of what he sad......... one term to Jacob Zuma > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:54 AM, sipho shandu <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Cadre Samora and cadre Sakhile, >> >> I must however say that i am very dissapointed at cadres who think they >> can say whatever they want at any given point about an organisation guided >> by policies and principles like the ANC. >> >> When COSATU says that they want cadre Zuma to be president until 2019 they >> are contradicting themselves as well as the wishes of cadre ZUMA! >> Prior to the elections Zuma said that he would only stand for one term and >> thereafter make way for an incoming president of the ANC. >> >> Vavi must just get his house in order. One moment he is striking and the >> other moment he is speaking about a succession plan. What is he on about? >> What we should focus on right now is the issues of service delivery and >> beating the financial meltdown crisis we currently faced with. >> >> Let me pause cadres! >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:14 PM, sakhile msane <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> Well said comrade Samora >>> >>> I think the point you've just made is quiet clear, let us first focus >>> on the current issues at hand such "service delivery" and based on >>> what we see as the results then we as the masses can decide whether we >>> re instate him back to power based on the results he has delivered >>> during his tenure. >>> >>> The struggle continues, Amandla !!! >>> >>> Sakhile Msane >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Samora Sello<[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Comrades, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Though one fully supports this call for President Jacob Zuma to avail >>> > himself for a second term, one wonders whether it is not premature at >>> this >>> > stage, when there are so many other pressing issues to impress upon >>> him. It >>> > would seem to me that given the newness of our current government, the >>> work >>> > to consolidate all the changes within government structures and the >>> many >>> > challenges ahead that this government will face as far as >>> implementation is >>> > concerned (specially in the wake of the global financial crisis), it >>> would >>> > be prudent to ensure and assist with the realization of the current >>> mandate. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > This call should and would then made at the right stage as the would >>> > inevitably be a need for continuity. I do believe that we need to first >>> and >>> > foremost protect this new dispensation and assist to portray it is one >>> which >>> > is about service and not “power”. I watched JZ answering this question >>> > yesterday and felt that this call compromising the new agenda and focus >>> on >>> > which is implementation. it has never been about him per se but about >>> what >>> > he stands for which is primarily a kind of leadership that allows all >>> voices >>> > to be heard and consensus building not only within the alliance but the >>> > south African society as a whole . >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > We must work to ensure that the policy pronouncements and resolutions >>> from >>> > Polokwane are realized and the call for a second term will not only be >>> > forthcoming from the progressive forces but also from the masses as >>> well. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I stand corrected!! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Samora >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > >>> > From: [email protected] >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Castro Ngobese >>> > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 2:40 PM >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] YCLSA STATEMENT ON COSATU'S CALL FOR >>> PRESIDENT >>> > JACOB ZUMA'S SECOND TERM >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > YCLSA statement on COSATU’s call for President Jacob Zuma’s second term >>> > >>> > 08 June 2009 >>> > >>> > The Young Communist League of South Africa [uFasimba] supports the >>> COSATU’s >>> > call for President Jacob Zuma to avail himself for the second term as >>> the >>> > ANC and state President. >>> > >>> > We are interested in the ANC leadership because we want a leadership >>> that >>> > will build and respect the Alliance. We will only stop being interested >>> in >>> > the ANC leadership once the Alliance is over. As long as the Alliance >>> is >>> > still intact and we are expected to mobilise and organise for the ANC >>> > electoral victory during elections as one of our key common programme >>> to >>> > retain the ANC alliance in the state, our interest in the ANC >>> leadership >>> > will remain unchanged. As independent, albeit inter-dependent >>> strategic >>> > allies, we influence each other, and therefore there is no >>> contradiction >>> > between our views on the ANC leadership and the ANC’s organisational >>> > autonomy. >>> > >>> > It is our view that the ANC leadership under President Jacob Zuma has >>> shown >>> > significant respect for the Alliance and the ANC itself. >>> Notwithstanding a >>> > number of challenges in the conceptualisation and implementation of the >>> > reconfigured Alliance, particularly in some provinces, Allies relations >>> have >>> > significantly improved since the 2007 ANC National Conference in >>> Polokwane. >>> > >>> > Our experience in the last 15 years has taught us that we can no longer >>> be >>> > spectators in the theatre of class struggle within the ANC when some >>> people >>> > are plotting day and night to capture the ANC for their own narrow BEE >>> > elitist interests which have nothing to do with what the ANC stands >>> for. We >>> > should also make it clear that our support for the ANC cannot be >>> > unconditional. We will continue to support a working class bias ANC in >>> > practice – nothing else! >>> > >>> > We are also aware that there are those who are not opposed to the ANC >>> > President leadership as such, but cannot wait to be ANC officials as >>> soon as >>> > possible. Whilst affirming their rights to stand for any position, we >>> just >>> > want to signal to them that we do not agree with them. It is too early >>> for >>> > them to start wetting their appetite for power. >>> > >>> > We urge those who disagree with us on this question to come out and >>> disagree >>> > with us on substance. And stop concealing their views under >>> bureaucratic and >>> > procedural arguments which hinge on when and who should raise this >>> question. >>> > We do not need political referees to tell us when to air our views on >>> any >>> > matter. >>> > >>> > We also note the growing attack on the SACP Chairperson and ANC >>> Secretary >>> > General – Gwede Mantashe by social forces within society and the ANC >>> itself. >>> > Notwithstanding our healthy differences with him as a leader of the >>> ANC, we >>> > would like to re-affirm our confidence in him as the ANC Secretary >>> General >>> > and will urge him to avail himself for the position of the ANC >>> Secretary >>> > General. >>> > >>> > Clarity on these matters will enable all of us to focus all our >>> resources >>> > and energies on building our organisational and state capacity to >>> implement >>> > our electoral mandate. >>> > >>> > We will agitate and mobilise our structures including our ANC on these >>> > matters. >>> > >>> > Issues by YCLSA Head Office >>> > >>> > COSATU House >>> > >>> > 1 – 5 Leyds Street, Braamfontein >>> > >>> > Contact: >>> > >>> > Castro Ngobese >>> > >>> > YCLSA National Spokesperson – 082 567 3557 >>> > >>> > This message is subject to certain restrictions and qualifications >>> which are >>> > contained in our email disclaimer which is available on our website at >>> > www.edcon.co.za/Edcon/Disclaimer or from the Group Secretary on (011) >>> > 495-6000. >>> > >>> > The disclaimer also provides our corporate information and names of our >>> > directors as required by law. >>> > >>> > The disclaimer is deemed to form part of this message in terms of >>> Section 11 >>> > of the Electronic Communications and Transactions Act, 2002. >>> > >>> > P Please consider the environment before printing this email and/or any >>> > related attachments >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sakhile Msane >>> cell: + 27 711408565 >>> ph: +27 35 7964469 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Zingisani Nkanjeni >> [email protected] >> [email protected] >> cell: 0789228959 >> tel: 021- 3618160 >> >> >> >> >> -- Kind regards Vincent Masoga 073 513 7705 083 406 9619 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. 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