caders i think we are lossing it, my point is as my fellow cders comrade would cder jeje, principle is a primarry core of our revolution, we all shud think of our movement and the reflections we are makink in our discussions. *i respect your views at all times but it would be fair if they were principled, ill discipline can execute facts that i know but bahlekazi cder jz is and can be capable to take account to this, and if you all fill passionate of the mattr please find a principled not insultive manner of discussing the matter amandla!!
sibusiso Mchunu wrote: > how one knows whether Zuma and child's mother did test for HIV before the > gymnastics, (remember these are adults who may choose to run their life as > they want)and we have more important things to worry about that what people > do in privately. > > as people you can not model your life to an individual, cos that is why we > end up having members of a principal member. as Zamani, has said it > better,...Cope was formed because of this very reason of members of another > member. when an organization act on the principal member...the followers > (membership) of the Principal member of the organization followed and COPE > was born. > > that is why we have our own brains to use meaningfully therefore one can't > suspend his/her brain and let another person's brain to think for you...when > that brain disappoint you...you want us all to know about the person you > (freely chose without telling of your choice you) look up to has fail you. > > i thing also if we were to behave the same-way or as expected, life would be > boring and we can even all of us be sweepstakes winners at once. > > > > > > > On 2/3/10, zamani nhlangulela < [email protected] > wrote: > Ayi sivelelweke yiCOPE manje. Don't you have anything that you can say that > talks towards finding solutions of the country's problems and not Zuma's? > -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Molaole MONTSHO > Sent: 03 February 2010 10:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: > Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Dear Mr President Jacob Zuma Let those who did not sin > be the first to throw the stone... > How judgemental are we.. We have not heard Zuma's respond to the love child > issue and yet he is being crucified, how many leaders secretly have babies > out of wedlock? How did the news reach journalists, is there an agenda behind > this or the > issue is in the public domain cos the President is involve? > [email protected] wrote: > Check out this letter, and I'm not a Cope > member either!! > >> > Dear Mr President Jacob Zuma > > > > After having read the front page >> > story of the Sunday Times (31/01/2010), > I feel compelled to write to you >> > as this ordinary citizen that I am. >> Because I am a commoner, my judgement of your actions could be regarded > as >> disrespect. Equally you might be indulging in all these sordid acts > >> because you feel that you cannot be questioned and brought to book. >> > > > As a young man I have an interest in the way in which those in power >> > > > are > behaving, so as to ensure that we have good, moral and ethical >> > > > leaders > to look upon. A public figure who does not inspire >> > > > confidence or does >> not conduct themselves in a manner that seek to inspire development of > >> society, should be eliminated from the limelight and sent into the > deepest >> of corners so that their misleading acts are shunned. To me you >> happen to be such an individual. > > > > In your address during your >> inauguration and also in your first State of > the Nation address, you >> emphasised greatly on moral regeneration. The >> reason why religion has seemingly failed to produce members that embody > >> the values taught in religious institutions is because the preachers > >> themselves are failing to be upright leaders who live out what they >> preach. You are such a preacher to me. > > > > Given your past record that >> displays you as a man who is easily tempted > by indulging in sexual >> intercourse, it is very difficult for me to throw >> water over the claims made by the Sunday Times. To me it is irrelevant > >> that the person you impregnated is the daughter of Dr Irvin "The Iron > >> Duke" Khoza, I would still feel the same way even if it was just yet >> another woman. If this baby was born under normal circumstances, it > means >> that you must have slept with this lady around January 2009. > During the >> same time you had already paid Lobola for Thobeka Madiba-Zuma >> and you were planning your wedding day with her. At the same time you > were >> already having the pleasure of being attended to by two wives. I > suppose >> given that you were busy campaigning for the 2009 General >> Elections, the challenges that you faced couldn't be accommodated by > your >> wives, you needed to find solace and release your masculine energy > on >> another woman outside wedlock. > > > >> What nauseates me the most is the fact that this lady got pregnant, > >> meaning you had unprotected sex yet again. To me it is clear that you > have >> unprotected sex with your wives, because you do it so easily with >> "omakhwapheni". It means you are a risk to your wives, because you seem > to >> be fishing for HIV, so that you can take the catch home and > distribute it >> evenly amongst them. Unless there is preventive medication >> for HIV that you have and we the ordinary people do not have access to. > > >> > > The Zulu Kingdom should be ashamed at how you have paraded their culture >> > of polygamy, a culture that is in fact to me very demeaning of women. To >> me it symbolises true qualities of chauvinism and patriarchy, whereby if > a >> man is not satisfied with one woman, then they can go get another. > >> Meanwhile society would vilify a woman who would take a second man. >> Polygamy also promotes cheating on your wife, because you must first > know >> the second wife, well in your case sixth, intimately on stolen > moments >> away from your wife. So during that time you are lying to your >> wife or wives claiming to be seeing no one besides them and even to God, > >> whom you made such a pact with when getting married. > > > > Polygamy >> reduces women to objects that are used to just satisfy the egos >> of many men out there, who see having many women as a sense of > superiority >> and achievement. To me this is a very small minded sense of > thinking. > > >> > > I cannot have you preach morality to me when you partake in such >> disgusting acts that make me feel if only I was not a South African. > When >> a sex scandal broke off about Mr Bill Clinton, he had to step down > as >> President of the USA. The President of the World Bank stepped down >> after such allegations were tabled against him. However to you it is > just >> yet another day another dollar and nothing will happen, because you > are >> hiding behind tradition and using it to camouflage your helpless >> sexuality. > > > > You are a man who does not respect women clearly, a man >> who does not > believe in treating your wives with the best respect they >> deserve. I > doubt maKhumalo is happily married to you, but she is probably >> fearful >> of what shall become of her if she were to leave you. It is unfortunate > >> that the majority of the people in your organisation find your acts > >> acceptable; it goes to show how the morals of the ANC have become >> fragmented over the years. > > > > You occupy the highest seat in our land >> and many people will find a way > of using your acts to justify their >> mistakes and atrocious behaviours > which resemble yours. You are not a >> beacon of hope to me, but rather >> that one of disaster. > > > > It is impossible that you could raise all your >> 20 children, so it means > that you promote unstructured families whereby >> kids grow up with single > parents. You promote and justify cheating. You >> promote for society to >> discredit the three pillars of fighting HIV, because you do not Abstain, > >> you do not get to Be Faithful, you do not Condomize. > > > > What are you >> good for? Absolutely nothing. You are shaming our country >> and making it seem as if we are unable to be led by principled leaders. > > >> > > You are a health risk to your wives, you are a financial risk to the > >> taxpayers who must pay for your opulence and you still pledge your >> support to communists. > > > > I ask of you to step down as President, >> before you turn South Africa > into a quagmire that resembles your sexual >> life and its animalistic > behaviours. >> > > > Written by: Lukhona Mnguni > > COPE and COPESM member, > > -- > You >> > > > are subscribed. This footer can help you. > Please POST your comments >> > > > to [email protected] or reply to >> this message. > You can visit the group WEB SITE at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery > >> options, pages, files and membership. >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] > >> . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have >> to put anything in the message part. 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