Comrade, Cde may you assist in this regards,When i first artend ANC meetings it was in 1989 as we were young still in primary we grew up in meetings were Comrades keeps on say point of order ,Exigency and all this advance meeting procedures at some stages we couldnt s speak fearing that we may be out of line and other comrades may laugh at us.
.I then went teartiary and I was Active in SASCO and the same advance meetings procedures at it highest levels What suprised me was that before I went to tertiary I was member of the ANCYL and these never happen you will see comrades writing agenda pre the meetings be it general or Executive meetings with no problem. I went to jouin union and found the same meeting procedures. Recently at the meeting of the ANCYL and YCL some comrades use this meeting procedures and I had a serious fight with them about the imposition of this meeting procedures into our structures to a level where upper structure intervene but unfortunately they were as well not clear about this. What i want to find out is wether the ANCYL/ANC and YCL has meeting procedures or any one from NGO's/Church or Trade union movements can just imposed his procedures on us.Please assist in this regards. Kind Regards Howard On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:50 AM, DomzaNet <[email protected]>wrote: > <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D4UK2kWf5ik/S3PP62R7_qI/AAAAAAAAB7g/fyFaaw9ZSzs/s1600-h/Jetline-e.com+Logo+72DPI+RGB.jpg> > > > *Another first for the Communist University**!* > > *Comrades,* you can now go to *https://www.jetline.co.za/*, log in with > username *communistuniversity* and password also *communistuniversity*, > fill in your details and choose a Jetline branch, and then order from a list > of all the materials used in the eight Communist University Generic Courses. > When you click "*Proceed to Check-out*" at the bottom, it creates an order > with an *order number*, and sends it by e-mail to the Jetline branch you > have selected. You go to the branch with the order number to pay and to > collect your Communist University material! *Viva, CU, Viva!* > > ------------------------------ > > * We now meet in the UJ Doornfontein Library. Next week’s session will be > as follows:* > > *Date:* 17 February 2010 (Wednesday) > *Time:* 17h00 sharp to 18h30 sharp > *(New) Venue:* *The Library*, University of Johannesburg, 37 Nind Street, > Doornfontein, Johannesburg (former Technikon Witwatersrand). Vehicle access > is from the slip road to the left of the bridge on Siemert Road. > *Topic: “*Worker Solidarity and Unions”, by Brian Basgen and Andy Blunden > (*downloadable in MS-Word > format<http://sadtu-media-releases.googlegroups.com/web/1106%2C+Worker+Solidarity+and+Unions%2C+MIA%3B+Meetings%2C+Hannington.doc?gda=ac7_lHsAAADO5_tBHBXARP4AsX6lmYOoCWB07yPAs5XTPBKvv7XfVmqIYeWP4QVHu5dm91rjuvG8tEC0BPEnFlA6fT3p9guJY4azGvB-4QtnhowQyXEt2ho1ks4tjyO_q> > *). *See below* for an introduction to this text and to extracts from “Mr > Chairman” by Wal Hannington. > > ------------------------------ > > Click to view the *CU 2010 Draft > Programme<http://groups.google.com/group/sacp-johannesburg-central-branch/web/johannesburg-cu-2010-draft-programme> > * and the *Jhb Central Branch 2010 > Schedule<http://groups.google.com/group/sacp-johannesburg-central-branch/web/sacp-jhb-central-2010-branch-schedule> > *. > > *Click to view full linked list of downloadable Generic Course files, with > page > count*<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/communist-university/web/cu-generic-courses-full-list-of-downloadable-textstexts> > . > > ------------------------------ > > Vanguard! > > In politics, the word “vanguard” means the professional force, human > framework or “cadre”, which can lead the mass movement of the people on a > revolutionary path. > > The relationship of the revolutionary vanguard to the mass organisations of > the people is similar to the relationship of a doctor to the people, or of > accountants and lawyers to businesses, or of an architect or an engineer to > builders and their clients. The vanguard is made up of professional > revolutionaries. > > The revolutionary vanguard is a servant, and not a master. The vanguard > party of the working class serves the working class, and does not boss it. > > The working-class vanguard party, which is the communist party, is not > separate from the mass movement. It is intimately involved with the mass > movement at all times and at all levels. To be a vanguard at all, it must > study the workings of the mass movement. > > The vanguard party educates, organises and mobilises. As a vanguard, it > must have expert knowledge how mass movements in general, and especially > about how the primary mass organisations of the working class which are the > trade unions, work. > > To deal with this crucial matter (how trade unions work) here is a text > from the Marxists Internet Archive’s Encyclopaedia of Marxism, written by > Brian Basgen and Andy Blunden, two comrades who clearly have vast experience > of what they are writing about. > > This text is empirical and experiential and there is nothing wrong with > that, because experiential is exactly what trade unions and other mass > organisations are. Trade unions arise out of the existing consciousness of > workers as they are found under capitalism. In many ways workers emulate > capitalist forms of organisation. Their initial purpose is to get a better > money deal in exchange for their labour-power in the capitalist > labour-market. > > Trade unions are in the first place reformist, not revolutionary. Nor can > trade unions become revolutionary without the assistance of professional > revolutionaries, organised separately as a communist party. Lenin dealt with > this relationship in “What is to be Done?” (download linked below). > > Trade unionists who think that they can dispense with the assistance of a > communist party are on a road to ruin. > > *Rules of Debate* > > Crucial to the democracy of mass organisations are the Rules of Debate and > Procedure of Meetings. These are a bit like language, or political > education <http://domza.blogspot.com/2009/07/learning-is-communism.html>, > or the Internet, in the sense of being communistic. They are not given as > authority. They are not imposed by a “state”. There is no institutional > enforcer of these rules. > > For example, the South African Communist Party has no given Rules of Debate > or Standing Orders. Unfortunately this does not prevent people from claiming > “Points of Order”! The nature of the notional “rules” is such that they are > only effective to the extent that they are understood in common by the > members of any particular gathering. > > Wal Hannington [1896-1966, pictured] was well known as a communist leader > of the unemployed workers’ movement in Britain in the 1930s. Our summary of > his 1950 booklet “Mr Chairman” is included with this item on Trade Unions > because communists involved in trade unions need this knowledge. > > Hannington wrote: "The Chairman is there to guide the meeting, not to boss > it." This is the most valuable message in his book. The Rules of Debate and > the Procedures of Meetings are only justified to the extent that they > liberate the people present. They become useless when they are felt as a > burden or an obstruction. > > The point is not for the Chairperson to “keep order”, or for individuals to > be bullied down with “points of order”. The Chairperson serves the meeting, > and the meeting needs to know how to guide the Chairperson. Everything works > best when everyone knows the generic Rules of Debate. > > *Downloads**:* > > *Click here to download the text of Worker Solidarity and Unions, MIA, > Meetings, > Hannington<http://communist-university.googlegroups.com/web/1106%2C+Worker+Solidarity+and+Unions%2C+MIA%3B+Meetings%2C+Hannington.doc?gda=jh_Z84AAAABRWT0JvHr826K2AV2Sy7ruWF_cvIR4bQcjY2Qjv0TmrWqIYeWP4QVHu5dm91rjuvG8tEC0BPEnFlA6fT3p9guJY4azGvB-4QtnhowQyXEt2ho1ks4tjyO_q> > * > > *Further (optional) reading**:*** > > *1106a, What is to be Done, Workers & Revolutionaries, > Lenin*<http://communist-university.googlegroups.com/web/1106a%2C+What+is+to+be+Done%2C+Workers+%26+Revolutionaries%2C+Lenin.doc?gda=W4PcrX4AAABRWT0JvHr826K2AV2Sy7ruWF_cvIR4bQcjY2Qjv0TmrWil66lirPyUX6aCxEZVGHxoKCpHpCsh1YQmlRJkf_Tnl1pFkUJUuBBgHLP2xB_1F_tNrPf8SjuO1Qk> > > > > -- > Posted By DomzaNet to Communist > University<http://domza.blogspot.com/2010/02/vanguard.html>on 2/11/2010 > 11:50:00 AM > > -- > You are subscribed. 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