ceds Provincial Secretary of Gaunteng (ANCYL) just opened a can of warms by realising such a statement, the position of province have to be taken at the relevant platforms of the organisation recent in our ranks are congress, councels, pec meetings., not one person entitled with a position woke up one morning after a social event utter a statement that the organisation is not awear and stick the organisation emblame on it.
cdes it not a crime for the YL to have the postion on the matters of the ANC, especial the matter at hand. If some of the YL leaders and managers together with the media have lost confident to the SG of the ANC it not a problem but it must be discussed at branches of the anc because this a matter of the ANC, I`M SURE you have branches cde secretary. again cdes we are young people in the ANC lets us enjoy the privilege of being youth in the anc by engaging on robust debates not utilise media to win political issues On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Vincent Masoga <[email protected]> wrote: > It is also abuse of organizational structures let alone unconstitutional to > want to elevate a decision (if it is indeed a decision) of a branch to > become a decision of ANCYL GP in relation to the leadership of the ANC in > 2012, specifically in relation to the Secretary General. As far as i know > not even a regional structure of the ANCYL in Gauteng as proposed comrade > Mbalula as the SG of the ANC post 2012. > > All of us are aware that the term of the ANC NEC, including that one of the > officials is 5 years and equally there is nothing wrong with "lobbying" for > any position for your preferred leader or influencing the branches to think > otherwise in terms of any of the leaders in the NEC of the ANC. So far, what > i understand is that the ANCYL (at a national level, somehow informally, not > officially, i remain to be corrected) is seeking to influence the branches > of the ANC to begin to think about certain candidates for the position of > the ANC SG. > > But for tis execrsise to be constitutionally binding and also a unison > view to all members of the ANCYL, it has to be first deliberated and > ultimately agreed upon in the structures of the ANCYL, including the > branches that have elected that national structure, in the most open and > democratic manner. Equally those branches have a right to think and express > their views otherwise, contrary to the current informal views by the > national structure. > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Funky Maila >> >> I am very much sorry to tell you this, Sometimes beeing a leader does not >> just mean to place your vocal irrelavence any where even if you do not >> understand the points. >> >> Let me put this point clear, to all of the people who are deliberating in >> this issue of the disrespect including you, I am finding them missing the >> point of factual correctness on understanding the concept "respect". It is >> an obvious fact that behind this issue there is a question of Leadership >> and to my understanding the issue of leadership is incumbent to all the >> constitutional structures to exercise their right on who must be their >> leader, so it can't be correct for any of us to beging to forward our >> insinuary views to forums like this and also to the madia if we are all >> clearly understanding the content of the media response by the ANCYL this >> shall or must mean "respect". >> >> The denger of all this is the sense of discussing this issue outside >> context hence it now contradict statement made by Thabo Kupa on behalf of >> the province. This automatically means that both Tom and Kupa are not >> correct to sugest that if Mahlambandlomvu had pronounce as to who do they >> support it means that the province is agreeing with their views, this >> remain their independent view until the conferences take their own >> decision and the decision of the conferences are the one binding. >> >> Comrade Tom and Kupa should not use us to endose their own personal >> interest and conclude here with us that the Gauteng is looking forward for >> Mbalula as Secretary general of the ANC. They must say withsanding the >> fact that other regions have got a position on the matter and equally >> themselves as members in good standing have got their own position on >> supporting Mbalula on their own right as bona fide members of the >> organisation. >> >> As members of all the progressive formation in our own right we so much >> dearly love SACP,COSATU,ANC and all progressive youth formation within the >> NLM and we will always gard against all unprecidented elements of down >> sizing our gains made tirelessly by those including Gwede Mantashe to >> ensure that there is political descipline within our alliance >> >> We please that Tom and his ilks should stop missleading our youth because >> also filtering false accuusation against our leaders is to corrupt the >> minds of our general members and we please that comrades become honest in >> this regard. >> >> >> > Vincent >> > >> > What does this mean >> > >> > "What is most worrying about the ANCYL GP leadership is that instead >> > of >> > responsing to the facts as they relat to the reports regarding the >> > ANCYL >> > president 's personal wealth status & how he has allegedly gained >> > that" >> > >> > So today you call media reports "facts". what is the intention...Why? >> > >> > Now i fully agree with Cde Tom, just for what you said, i now strongly >> > believe that the ANCYL President must be defended from lunatics, either >> > from SACP, YCL Forum or anywhere. Provincial Secretary of Gauteng is >> > therefore correct. >> > >> > Funky Maila >> > >> > >> >>>> [email protected] 02/22/10 1:56 PM >>> >> > What is most worrying about the ANCYL GP leadership is that instead of >> > responsing to the facts as they relat to the reports regarding the >> > ANCYL >> > president 's personal wealth status & how he has allegedly gained that, >> > the >> > leadership decides to bunch below the belt anf shoots off the target. >> > >> > Firstly, it is not the duty of the media to audit the lifestyle of >> > politicians, neither has COSATU proposed that lifestyle audits should >> > be >> > condected in the manner in which the media is running with it, but due >> > to >> > the beauty of our constitution on media freedoms, i guess the media is >> > only >> > acting as they wish in order to sell papers and we all know who sells >> > the >> > most. >> > >> > The defence of the president of the ANCYL against sensational & >> > potentially >> > damaging reporing is something that no one will differ with in >> > principle >> > within the circles of the ANCYL in the province, however, the >> > degeneration >> > of a "defence" what the provincial leadership is currently raising >> > pointed >> > to towards the alliance is very unfortunate and it sounds highly >> > sychopphant >> > in nature. >> > >> > But then we must comrades allow for a space to exist for debates and >> > engagements. >> > >> > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Mzukisi Ronyuza <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> What is this thing of undermining the SACP leaders in this country? >> > It >> >> started with the highest office of the ANCYL and now Gauteng is >> > towing the >> >> line. Is this how our revolution ripens and "matures" comrades. >> > These >> >> comrades have ensured that they reduce debates in the ANC and the >> > Alliance >> >> into something that can't be understood. >> >> >> >> Thina South African Communist Party, and the African National >> > Congress, is >> >> our life, we are communists we do not want anyone to remind us that. >> > If >> >> others joined the struggle and political parties to fatten their >> > CV's, it is >> >> not the case with us. Media is used nowadays to score points. This >> > person >> >> lashes at that one, the next time he is praised and senior given >> > position >> >> somewhere because of his expletives against a comrade. Others are not >> > even >> >> political materials but have been given potilical responsibilities >> > and are >> >> causing mess and destroying what has been building for many decades. >> >> >> >> Why are comrades personalising debates? We are making our ANC a >> >> self-destruct monster. Instead the opposition, DA, ID etc we spend >> > time >> >> fighting amongst ourselves. We are doing what the enemy has been >> > wanting to >> >> do this movement without success, destruction. >> >> >> >> *Comrades I implore you all that you work tirelessly to defend the >> > ANCYL >> >> from the blazing guns of political oblivion. The enemies of the SACP >> > and >> >> COSATU cannot fight within, are now using some misguided missiles. >> > These are >> >> our factory faults that should be recalled for repair. Only the >> > ANCYL >> >> Conference or the ANC can do that. * >> >> ** >> >> *SACP will be truly defended from any form attack that come its way, >> >> whether from within or wthout, by all communists and those who >> > believe in >> >> the revolutionary alliance. * >> >> ** >> >> *HOW DO WE RELATE MALEMA'S PAPARAZZI EXPOSE TO THE SACP AND THE ANC? >> > THIS >> >> THING OF FOREVER SPEWING BILE TO THE SACP AND COSATU AFTER POLITICAL >> >> CONSTIPATION SHOULD COME AN END.* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2/22/10, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> *STATEMENT OF ANCYL GAUTENG PROVINCE ON THE VICIOUS ATTACK OF OUR >> >>> PRESIDENT JULIUS MALEMA* >> >>> >> >>> * >> >>> >> >>> 21 February 2010* >> >>> >> >>> The Gauteng ANCYL wishes to express its outmost disgust on the >> > recent >> >>> media reports that seek to portray President Julius Malema as a >> > corrupt >> >>> individual as coined by yellow communist and embraced by white >> >>> capitalist controlled sensational media. We reject this assertion >> > and >> >>> its association to our President, who by the way is not a public >> > servant or >> >>> any thing of that sort. >> >>> >> >>> We wish to state on record that President Malema is employed by the >> >>> African National Congress (ANC). When masses of our people called on >> > him to >> >>> serve the state and its institutions; he requested the leadership >> > collective >> >>> to allow him to finish his task as President of the ANCYL. Unlike >> > those who >> >>> jumped into the bandwagon to serve that state irrespective of task >> > given by >> >>> their respective organizations. We are fully aware that they did so >> > to build >> >>> friendship with the media and imperialist to attack the moral >> > standing of >> >>> our President. We thought this tendency of using state apparatus >> > and >> >>> media to attack fellow comrades was defeated in Polokwane, little >> > did we >> >>> know that it continues raising its ugly head post Polokwane. >> >>> >> >>> We wish to take this opportunity to remind South Africans at large >> > that >> >>> President Malema is a political activist who is a child of >> > working-class and >> >>> poor family. His work for the poor is well known to everyone; >> > therefore any >> >>> attempt by forces that connives with capital to discredit him has >> > never and >> >>> will not succeed. >> >>> >> >>> We are very clear as Gauteng ANCYL that we currently in the congress >> > mood, >> >>> hence many comrades are attempting to deflect our attention from >> > both policy >> >>> (Nationalization) and leadership articulation and preference >> > debate >> >>> throughout our structures in the province and national. With regard >> > to >> >>> nationalization, the debate is on how it should happen not whether >> > it will >> >>> happen. We are taking this policy debate to our structures and >> > eventually >> >>> the ANC NGC later this year. Structures of the ANCYL in Gauteng and >> > we >> >>> believe the rest of the country are singing Fikile Mbalula for ANC >> > Secretary >> >>> General in 2012. This call is not made by President Malema, rather >> > all >> >>> structures of the organization. Those who wish to silence and deter >> > us from >> >>> mobilization young people who have already swelled the ranks of the >> > ANC and >> >>> postured in favour of generational mix leadership debate should not >> > attempt >> >>> to defocus us from this important task of the organization. >> >>> >> >>> Those deployed in government and not delivering the mandate of the >> > ANC >> >>> should not equally seek to use the state machinery to persecute one >> > of our >> >>> own (President Malema). Through our President we will continue >> > challenging >> >>> those who are inefficient, lazy and corrupt. Our campaign to fix >> > the >> >>> rotten Public Enterprise, Mining Departments and the over dominance >> > of >> >>> minorities in the economic cluster of the cabinet are issues we >> > will >> >>> continue raising sharply. >> >>> >> >>> We support the lifestyle audit of those in government, trade unions >> > in >> >>> particular Zwelinzima Vavi and Mr. R500, 000 plastic bag. We call >> > upon >> >>> independent auditors to check transactions and accumulation during >> > the same >> >>> period. >> >>> >> >>> President Malema like any other human being know people and for the >> > record >> >>> he does not dish out tenders as alleged by yellow communist and the >> > white >> >>> capitalist media. Any attempt to associate a success of a black >> > child to >> >>> corruption is malicious and unwarranted. We refuse to accept all >> >>> nonsensical weekend publications and we will work tirelessly to >> > inform our >> >>> structure soon on the overall plot and battles ahead. >> >>> >> >>> Forward to 2012 >> >>> >> >>> Issued by ANCYL Gauteng >> >>> >> >>> Contact Provincial Secretary >> >>> Cde. Thabo Kupa >> >>> 079 8111222 >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> * * * >> >>> >> >>> * >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >> >>> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or >> > reply to >> >>> this message. >> >>> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different >> > delivery >> >>> options, pages, files and membership. >> >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >> > [email protected]. You don't have to put >> > anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to >> >>> put anything in the message part. 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