If you Cde Domza you are misled by this,it is then clear to me that you only have branch meetings in these networks, some of us comrade are participating on the structures of the movement. You may tell me now how many branch general meetings you attended where there were serious discussions on documents of this nature. I thought when one joins this forum will not be subjected on a limited views to share. Since 2006 all meetings I attended on branch level is dominated by discussion that focus on who will occupy a particular position. Chief I am discussing a substance here, It is a contradiction of the SACP of which I belonged on it to adopt policies of this nature not through branch recommendations.
________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dominic Tweedie Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fw: [CU] Floyd Shivambu This message of yours is misleading, Cde Lazola. I think you should hesitate before making sweeping statements about the SACP. Things that are not clear to you may be clearer to others. Things that you are still only wondering about are not a mystery to everybody. It would help us more if you would address the substance of the matter. Otherwise, you may just end up contributing to the same kind of sterile babel that you refer to as "focusing on leadership". VC On 15 February 2011 10:34, Ndlazilwana, Lazola <[email protected]> wrote: Cdes it is the fact that we were still young but that doesn't mean we cannot critique decisions taken then.It is clear Cde Ntokozo that documents of this nature are not discussed in branch meeting of the SACP,YCL,ANC and ANCYL because those meetings are only focusing on leadership, I wonder how many SACP branches which have a program of plitical school, those who are in JHB can attend Marxists classes in Germiston conducted by NUMSA ________________________________ From: Ntokozo Lwandle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:08 AM To: [email protected]; Lazola" <[email protected]> Cc: Chiliwe, Misumzi Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fw: [CU] Floyd Shivambu Cdes but then does it really mean if GEAR was adopted in 1996 (most of us were still very young)then SACP should just adopt new economic growth path? No, I totally disagree but sadly I have not heard much at branches in terms of engaging with this document, am not sure, it might be my ignorance or what. Amandla!!! On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:23:16 +0200 "Ndlazilwana, Lazola" wrote Cdes this is a public forum where every person in particular young communists share their views and opinions, this comrades must be done without fear of being purged on structures of the movement but comrades must engage on what has been raised by a certain comrade. What Cde Floyd has raised seems to me to be a fact that the SACP did welcome and support Gear in 1996 then I was not a member of the party I was a member of the ANCYL and Cosas, but the same SACP potrayed Gear as a Class Project which doesn't address fundamental challenges of the working class in particular the poorest of the poor, Cdes we were made to believe that analysis is correct however who should be the vanguard of the working class if our SACP did accept and welcome GEAR thanks to archives. Even today many comrades of the movement are witch-hunted because they are ass ociated with this Project. Comrades on the 4th Feb 2011 when I was listening to the presentation of the New Growth Path I wrote on my facebook status that I sse no difference with Gear. So it is not suprising if we as communists have welcomed uGear in 1996 why can't adopt Growth Path? I then today plead to comrades to analyse this as our beloved GS has said in Mafikeng " It is a good habit.........". As of neo liberal tendencies comrades must not just say the Cde was not suppose to say that, it is his view and if one differs he or she must engage and prove to Floyd why he/she disagree of this tendency within SACP. To me comrades this is a contradiction of what the communist party should it be. Lazola Ndlazilwana VWSA NUMSA Deputy Sec Cell:0835103686 Tel: 041 994 5543 Socialism in our lifetime ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 6:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Fw: [CU] Floyd Shivambu Sent from my BlackBerry(r) wireless device ________________________________ From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:59:52 +0000 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CU] Floyd Shivambu But cde Floyd, why go as far as saying that the SACP has neo-liberal tendencies Sent from my BlackBerry(r) wireless device ________________________________ From: Nyiko Floyd Shivambu <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:41:17 +0200 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] Floyd Shivambu Yes. SACP Stattement accessible on http://www.sacp.org.za/main.php?include=docs/pr/1996/pr1406.html <http://www.sacp.org.za/main.php?include=docs/pr/1996/pr1406.html> SACP STATEMENT ON THE Growth, Employment and Redistribution Marco-Economic Policy 14 June 1996 The South African Communist Party welcomes the government's Growth, Employment and Redistribution Macro-Economic Policy. We fully back the objectives of this macro-economic strategy and note, in particular, the following key features: Contrary to certain attempts to use the macro-economic debate to shift government away from its electoral mandate, the strategy announced today firmly and explicitly situates itself as a framework for the RDP. Resisting free market dogmatism, the strategy envisages a key economic role for the public sector, including in productive investment. On the restructuring of state assets, the strategy reaffirms and reinforces the bilateral (between government and unions) National Framework Agreement process. On labour markets, the new marco-economic-strategy envisages the extension of a regulated market and it introduces an innovative approach to flexibility. It rejects laisser-faire market-driven flexibility and instead call for negotiated regional and sectoral flexibility. The most important contribution of the strategy is its consistent endeavour to integrate different element of policy and, in particular, it provides a clear frame work within which monetary and interest rate policy must work. The SACP, in the context of our tripartite alliance with the ANC and COSATU, intends to take forward discussions, elaboration and debate on this path-breaking macro-economic strategy. All the questions of detail and of implementation require ongoing scrutiny. We have every intention of making an ongoing and constructive contribution to this process. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:38 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: http://m.facebook.com/floydn?refid=46&ref=pymk "The SACP welcomed GEAR in 1996. 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