Cde Hlakaniphile, I think let not go to that, this doing was very
barbaric and stupid this people must be dealt with accordingly this
can't be tolerated at all, there is nothing wrong about them showing
their support to the leadership of the YL but burning the face of
Comrade Nzimande and t-shirt with the face of the President of ANC and
the Country it totally out of order
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Hlakaniphile
Maureen Dube
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] MKMVA on the burning of the
ANCflagoutsideChief Albert Luthuli House
Mr Thabo Mbeki (Flag Burnt nd pic)
Vs Mr Jacob Zuma (Burnt Flag nd Pic) yesterday ,
is this an issue now? Xhosa Vs Zulu , I'm just asking? And deep thinking
,you know from bottom of ur heart what going on now.... We all udults
here
Long live ma Combrades
Warm Regards
Miss Hlakaniphile Maureen Dube
+27792969159 or +27733255129
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From: [email protected]
Sender: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 08:30:02 +0000
To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
ReplyTo: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] MKMVA on the burning of the ANC
flagoutsideChief Albert Luthuli House
Indeed Given burning the ANC flag is new and foreign in the ANC as much
as burning of tshirts was also new when TM's were burnt. The flag is
much more serious as the only organisation that has done that, of course
other than elements of criminality that Mr Malema addressed yesterday,
is the IFP.
Again, the IFP is the only party that has ever violently marched to
Luthuli House (the then Shell House) and nearly sank SA to a civil war
pre-1994. Our organisation, MKMVA knows those parallels and is correct.
This is not a flag of Shoprite or Boxer Cash 'n Carry, many of our
comrades died for that flag and many disappeared for merely possessing
it. And that is not an internet cafe or beer hall but the symbolic house
of our father, Inkosi Albert Luthuli.
The fact that ill-discipline has been happening for a long does not make
it right and the ANC should take harshest decision against those (and
their handlers) who saw it fit to organise march against the oldest
liberation movement in Africa, the ANC.
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From: Given Matlombe <[email protected]>
Sender: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 08:52:48 +0200
To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
ReplyTo: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] MKMVA on the burning of the ANC flag
outsideChief Albert Luthuli House
Cdes, do u think we are really really in a verge of civil war? Is this
new to our movement? Is toyi toying in support of other ANC leaders now
a threat to the movement? Didn't the similar behaviour manifest itself
amongst our youth when we supported Cde JZ during rape and corruption
trial? Didn't we see the similar behaviour when we supported cde Winnie
in court? Is this NEW? Did our MK issue a similar civil war statement
when Cde Mbeki's t-shirts were burned?
Our veterans should rather reserve "civil war" statement like this for
more serious threat. The mass that was behaving badly yesterday is our
children. They need our veterans to educate them not to send threatening
message.
Long live our veterans long live
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Dominic Tweedie
<[email protected]> wrote:
Cde Moses,
I got the statement by e-mail, direct.
I have received no other one from MKMVA so the retraction, if it exists,
is news to me at this moment.
However, I don't think the higher body is likely to be supporting the
Youth League on this particular day. Do you?
All of the statements are not identical and one also can have one's own
views. One should read them all and take note of them all, but think
about them.
In my view there is no war. There is a disciplinary process going on,
not a war.
VC
On 31 August 2011 08:11, <[email protected]> wrote:
Domnic
Is it true that the secretary of MKVA withdrew this statement????????
Moses
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From: Thobela Mahijana <[email protected]>
Sender: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 08:06:29 +0200
To: <[email protected]>
ReplyTo: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] MKMVA on the burning of the ANC flag
outside Chief Albert Luthuli House
Well said MKMVA.
But i dont think the analysis that this can plant seeds of a civil war
is the correct one, civil war can be
from people who know and understand war, these are just hyper active
young people who think they
have the world in their hands, remember they know nothing about making
fire, we were making fire and
they didnt even knew what was happening. This anyway is the lesson to
the ANC that victories are protected
and Msholozi should know better he was a commander in chief of MK. The
ANC focussed too much on factions
and abadoned its programmes in the process these are the results,
political education was in the top list of the
ANC program together with organising that never materialised now we are
busy recruiting for 1 million members
which is the program supposedly have been done long ago, now the
movement has to rectify its mistakes going
forward and do away with unruly characters and retain its dignity.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 4:37 PM, senzo ncongolo <[email protected]>
wrote:
Clearly this statement goes against some of the principles they claim
to represent.its disturbing to realise what the ANC is today.all who
got power through such means are denouncing them today.
On 8/30/11, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> MKMVA
>
> *MKMVA Statement, 30 August 2011 *
>
>
> *Burning of the ANC flag in the protest outside Chief Albert Luthuli
House *
>
>
> UMkhonto we Sizwe Military Veterans Association view with grave
concern
> the protest outside the Chief Albert Luthuli House, the headquarters
of
> the African National Congress, at which the ANC flag was burned.
>
> We abhor also the burning of the t-shirt bearing the face of the
> President of the ANC, comrade Jacob Zuma.
>
> We believe that these public displays of anarchy orchestrated by the
ANC
> Youth League supporters of Julius Malema and his leadership collective
> have crossed the line.
>
> We, as servants of the people of South Africa, took an oath, and
> declared ourselves ready to sacrifice our own lives to safe guard the
> ANC flag which we believe is a symbol of sacrifice, pride,
frustrations,
> achievements and hope of our people.
>
> Our position when we took our oath still remains. We stand in defence
of
> the ANC, its alliance, its symbols, values, traditions, leadership and
> its constitution.We stand in defence of the people of South Africa for
> which we fought to install power into their hands.
>
> We are left with no doubt in our mind that those who are involved in
> this protest and burned the ANC flag are carrying out the orders of
> their masters, who are bent on creating chaos, and mayhem, not only
> within the ANC, but also in our country.
>
> Their actions are clearly meant to divide our communities and
ultimately
> the South African society. Their deliberate actions are clearly meant
to
> plant the seeds of a civil war in our country.
>
> We who have fought against apartheid take a stand that we shall never
> allow our country to slip into the dark days of war. We declare that
we
> shall defend the ANC its alliance, the people of South Africa and all
> their gains with everything in our might.
>
> The processes in the ANC are fair, and favour no one above the rest.
The
> constitution is made for all its members and no one member or a cohort
> of membership enjoys exclusion from its rules and regulations. In this
> stance, we shall never allow the ANC to be intimidated.
>
> To this end we call on all members of the ANC and the Alliance, and
> members of MKMVA to rally to the defence of the ANC its constitution
and
> its leadership.
>
> We also call upon all South Africans to isolate anarchy in their midst
> and ensure that their democratic gains are not eroded by criminality
and
> criminals in which some politicians seem to have invested in attempt
to
> destabilise dialogue, the rule of law anddemocracy in our country.
>
> *Contact:
>
> Kebby Maphatsoe
> MKMVA National Chairperson
> 073 723 8333
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>
>
> *
>
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