Dear Cde Sethoge Did you apply your political mind when drafting your submission. Did you think about what ANC stands for? Did you think about the contribution of the contribution of SACP and theoretical approach in 1969 Morogoro, the depth it gave our movement which has indeed intensified our struggle. I will not even speak about 2010 Mangaung because that is one of the reason why Mr Malema is in hot water. You speaking about expulsion that will take place which might be motivated by congress and eventually be at play at branch level, do you suggest then we keep comrades who are illdisciplined in our movement. Let me clarify my position. I stand in solidarity for the autonomy of the ANC YL, equally, I respect the processes of the organisation even the DC which comrade Malema is facing. Just try next time to have more depth in your views and respect and tolerate diffrent submissions, dont degenerate to this level. Learn!!!!Learn!!!!Learn!!!!
Cde Sibusiso On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:28 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Cde we must be carefull and extra carefull of the deployment of > machinery organs such as DC in the organization.Because the consequence of > this would go down to the lower structures and might see the emergence of > an ERA of expulsion and suspension as tools to purge the dissenting views > in particular period leading to conferences.We know very well that > preservation of power is at play here, as proven by inconsistency and > unpriciple applications of the constitution by those in power.to blame and > tells lies that people were drunk as if you tested them is not > solution.Going all out with lies that cosas forced pupils to join wouldn’t > help at all.I think we all agree that the riots yesterday was > unfortunate.Wether malema and their entire officials are suspended or > expelled from anc ,organizationally final solution lies with the balance of > forces in 2012 Mangaung.wether you hate malema or not delegates would decide > next year December. Don’t forget the period of Mbeki how thousands of people > defended him through electronic media and print media,everyone believes by > then balance of forces were infavour of mbeki.Dont be confused as well by > people defending the ANC as organization and with those defending the > individuals ,like SACP and YCL as well as CU.Dont just make big noise with > good written English and you claim to have influence ,your are nothing go > back to your branch ,become delegate or influence who become the > delagates,surely majority of you here cannot even qulify nominations,phrase > mongering, and copy and paste of quotes doesnot work in ANC branch.ANC > branch is not an academic activities nor debating club where you are judged > by level of material you read. > > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Mlaba, Bheki" <[email protected]> > *Sender: *[email protected] > *Date: *Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:14:30 +0200 > *To: *<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: *[email protected] > *Subject: *RE: [YCLSA Discussion] MKMVA on the burning of the > ANCflagoutsideChief Albert Luthuli House > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Cde Hlakaniphile, I think let not go to that, this doing was very barbaric > and stupid this people must be dealt with accordingly this can’t be > tolerated at all, there is nothing wrong about them showing their support to > the leadership of the YL but burning the face of Comrade Nzimande and > t-shirt with the face of the President of ANC and the Country it totally out > of order**** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Hlakaniphile Maureen Dube > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:35 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [YCLSA Discussion] MKMVA on the burning of the > ANCflagoutsideChief Albert Luthuli House**** > > ** ** > > Mr Thabo Mbeki (Flag Burnt nd pic) > Vs Mr Jacob Zuma (Burnt Flag nd Pic) yesterday , > > is this an issue now? Xhosa Vs Zulu , I'm just asking? And deep thinking > ,you know from bottom of ur heart what going on now.... We all udults here > > Long live ma Combrades > > > **** > > Warm Regards > Miss Hlakaniphile Maureen Dube > +27792969159 or +27733255129 **** > ------------------------------ > > *From: *[email protected] **** > > *Sender: *[email protected] **** > > *Date: *Wed, 31 Aug 2011 08:30:02 +0000**** > > *To: *<[email protected]>; <[email protected]>**** > > *ReplyTo: *[email protected] **** > > *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] MKMVA on the burning of the ANC > flagoutsideChief Albert Luthuli House**** > > ** ** > > Indeed Given burning the ANC flag is new and foreign in the ANC as much as > burning of tshirts was also new when TM's were burnt. The flag is much more > serious as the only organisation that has done that, of course other than > elements of criminality that Mr Malema addressed yesterday, is the IFP. > > Again, the IFP is the only party that has ever violently marched to Luthuli > House (the then Shell House) and nearly sank SA to a civil war pre-1994. Our > organisation, MKMVA knows those parallels and is correct. This is not a flag > of Shoprite or Boxer Cash 'n Carry, many of our comrades died for that flag > and many disappeared for merely possessing it. And that is not an internet > cafe or beer hall but the symbolic house of our father, Inkosi Albert > Luthuli. > > The fact that ill-discipline has been happening for a long does not make it > right and the ANC should take harshest decision against those (and their > handlers) who saw it fit to organise march against the oldest liberation > movement in Africa, the ANC.**** > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!**** > ------------------------------ > > *From: *Given Matlombe <[email protected]> **** > > *Sender: *[email protected] **** > > *Date: *Wed, 31 Aug 2011 08:52:48 +0200**** > > *To: *<[email protected]>; <[email protected]>**** > > *ReplyTo: *[email protected] **** > > *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] MKMVA on the burning of the ANC flag > outsideChief Albert Luthuli House**** > > ** ** > > Cdes, do u think we are really really in a verge of civil war? Is this new > to our movement? Is toyi toying in support of other ANC leaders now a threat > to the movement? Didn’t the similar behaviour manifest itself amongst our > youth when we supported Cde JZ during rape and corruption trial? Didn’t we > see the similar behaviour when we supported cde Winnie in court? Is this > NEW? Did our MK issue a similar civil war statement when Cde Mbeki’s > t-shirts were burned?**** > > Our veterans should rather reserve “civil war” statement like this for more > serious threat. The mass that was behaving badly yesterday is our children. > They need our veterans to educate them not to send threatening message.*** > * > > **** > > Long live our veterans long live**** > > **** > > > > **** > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Dominic Tweedie < > [email protected]> wrote:**** > > ** ** > > Cde Moses,**** > > ** ** > > I got the statement by e-mail, direct. **** > > ** ** > > I have received no other one from MKMVA so the retraction, if it exists, is > news to me at this moment.**** > > ** ** > > However, I don't think the higher body is likely to be supporting the Youth > League on this particular day. Do you?**** > > ** ** > > All of the statements are not identical and one also can have one's own > views. One should read them all and take note of them all, but think about > them.**** > > ** ** > > In my view there is no war. There is a disciplinary process going on, not a > war. **** > > ** ** > > VC**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On 31 August 2011 08:11, <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > Domnic > > Is it true that the secretary of MKVA withdrew this statement???????? > > Moses **** > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device**** > ------------------------------ > > *From: *Thobela Mahijana <[email protected]> **** > > *Sender: *[email protected] **** > > *Date: *Wed, 31 Aug 2011 08:06:29 +0200**** > > *To: *<[email protected]>**** > > *ReplyTo: *[email protected] **** > > *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] MKMVA on the burning of the ANC flag > outside Chief Albert Luthuli House**** > > ** ** > > Well said MKMVA.**** > > **** > > But i dont think the analysis that this can plant seeds of a civil war is > the correct one, civil war can be **** > > **** > > from people who know and understand war, these are just hyper active young > people who think they**** > > **** > > have the world in their hands, remember they know nothing about making > fire, we were making fire and**** > > **** > > they didnt even knew what was happening. This anyway is the lesson to the > ANC that victories are protected**** > > **** > > and Msholozi should know better he was a commander in chief of MK. The ANC > focussed too much on factions**** > > **** > > and abadoned its programmes in the process these are the results, political > education was in the top list of the **** > > **** > > ANC program together with organising that never materialised now we are > busy recruiting for 1 million members**** > > **** > > which is the program supposedly have been done long ago, now the movement > has to rectify its mistakes going**** > > **** > > forward and do away with unruly characters and retain its dignity.**** > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 4:37 PM, senzo ncongolo <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > Clearly this statement goes against some of the principles they claim > to represent.its disturbing to realise what the ANC is today.all who > got power through such means are denouncing them today.**** > > > On 8/30/11, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > MKMVA > > > > *MKMVA Statement, 30 August 2011 * > > > > > > *Burning of the ANC flag in the protest outside Chief Albert Luthuli > House * > > > > > > UMkhonto we Sizwe Military Veterans Association view with grave concern > > the protest outside the Chief Albert Luthuli House, the headquarters of > > the African National Congress, at which the ANC flag was burned. > > > > We abhor also the burning of the t-shirt bearing the face of the > > President of the ANC, comrade Jacob Zuma. > > > > We believe that these public displays of anarchy orchestrated by the ANC > > Youth League supporters of Julius Malema and his leadership collective > > have crossed the line. > > > > We, as servants of the people of South Africa, took an oath, and > > declared ourselves ready to sacrifice our own lives to safe guard the > > ANC flag which we believe is a symbol of sacrifice, pride, frustrations, > > achievements and hope of our people. > > > > Our position when we took our oath still remains. We stand in defence of > > the ANC, its alliance, its symbols, values, traditions, leadership and > > its constitution.We stand in defence of the people of South Africa for > > which we fought to install power into their hands. > > > > We are left with no doubt in our mind that those who are involved in > > this protest and burned the ANC flag are carrying out the orders of > > their masters, who are bent on creating chaos, and mayhem, not only > > within the ANC, but also in our country. > > > > Their actions are clearly meant to divide our communities and ultimately > > the South African society. Their deliberate actions are clearly meant to > > plant the seeds of a civil war in our country. > > > > We who have fought against apartheid take a stand that we shall never > > allow our country to slip into the dark days of war. 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