You are on ice, comrade. You have been told a few minutes ago that hollow anti-communism is not required here.
You immediately presented a vulgar defiance, and a provocation. This is not acceptable. The kind of behaviour that resembles Julius Malema's, where each guidance was followed by an even more outrageous affront, is not going to be tolerated here. You are now going to find that you cannot post, but you can read the e-mails. You are not yet banned. But you are on ice. Comrades are encouraged to express their views, but hollow anti-communism is not required. This is not the Mail & Guardian. VC On 1 September 2011 23:35, <[email protected]> wrote: > ** Cde VC > First I'm a communist with monthly subscription fees. I respect cde blade > for his famous preservation of power by amongst other deployment expulsion > and disbandment tool to strategically deal with dessentin views especially > towards conferences. > I respect him for his high level tactical move and "the Purging of the > Party" .like great purge campaign led by Joseph Stalin from 1936 to 1938 I > see in these character of cde blade bladeism era in applications.would > indeed arrived at the planned distination :union building. I doubt but why > should I be sceptical ythe man in question is highly skilled and ambitious > politician who would do anyting seen as obstacle in the road to union > building. I repeat I respect blade. > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > ------------------------------ > *From: * Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> > *Sender: * [email protected] > *Date: *Thu, 1 Sep 2011 22:45:15 +0200 > *To: *<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: * [email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Today's communist party is not a class > act > > > Martin Jansen is not a communist. What does he know about the SACP? > > One would have more respect if Jansen gave an account of his own views. > > I know him as a funding-chasing NGO-man, that's all. > > Unlike Jansen, Vishwas Satgar, was indeed once in the SACP. He was an open > reformist. All of his complaints are spurious. He tried to introduce his > liberal ideas into the Party and failed. So he left. End of story. > > Let people put their ideas forward, if they have any. Mere hollow > anti-communism is useless. > > > VC > > > On 1 September 2011 22:26, Malekate Maditsi <[email protected]>wrote: > >> After reading this article any Communist must stop and run an >> introspection of what kind of SACP have we become, wakeup workers and >> wakeup the poor there could biggest conspiracy to sell our interests and >> country to the highest bidder. If it is about us, can that be evident, can >> the rhetoric stop and begin a genuine course to a socialist future. >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Moses Moyo <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Today's communist party is not a class act >>> >>> *MARTIN JANSEN: THE LEFT* Aug 26 2011 11:27 >>> >>> [image: mg_logo.gif] >>> >>> In response to Rapule Tabane's "The strident tune of a one-man >>> band<http://www.mg.co.za/article/2011-08-01-the-strident-tune-of-a-oneman-band>" >>> (August 1), Yunus Carrim and Ben Martins correctly argue that it is >>> simplistic to reduce the South African Communist Party (SACP) to its general >>> secretary's apparent authoritarian behaviour and intolerance to having his >>> "personal whim" questioned. >>> >>> Blade Nzimande represents the politics and character of his party. We >>> need to look deeper to explain the majority of the SACP leadership's >>> intolerance of dissenting views. Carrim and Martins sing the SACP's former >>> glories instead of taking a serious look at the party today. The central >>> question is: Can the SACP claim to be a vanguard party of the working class, >>> a party that, as Nzimande said in this paper in July, "is a political party >>> … interested in power to advance the interests of the workers and the >>> poor". >>> >>> My view is that the SACP's political path contributes to the malaise of >>> class struggle in South Africa. Its privileged historical position at the >>> helm of the working class and its largest formation, Cosatu, together with >>> its theory of national democratic revolution (NDR), is the political basis >>> of working-class setbacks over the past 20 years. >>> >>> The SACP has not overcome the first hurdle in putting the class struggle >>> back on the agenda -- the class character of the ANC government and the >>> nature of the state in South Africa. This is evaded; the ANC and SACP enjoy >>> a symbiotic relationship. Any serious review by a Marxist-Leninist >>> organisation must pose the question of whose class interests the ANC and its >>> government represent. >>> >>> An honest review would show that the ANC has historically represented the >>> interests of the black petty bourgeoisie. It has used political power and >>> leverage over the state and public resources to elevate a small section of >>> this "class" to the ranks of the big capitalists. The monopolistic nature of >>> the South African economy means that this could only happen by a conscious, >>> rapid reallocation of capital from the white bourgeoisie to a few >>> strategically located blacks. Thus white capital bought its political >>> security. The interests of the new black bourgeoisie are tied up with those >>> of white monopoly capital and the capitalist state. >>> >>> The SACP has promoted the notion that a patriotic black capitalist class >>> ensures progressive investment in the national economy, driving job creation >>> and pro-poor development. But why would this "patriotic" bourgeoisie invest >>> its capital any differently from their unpatriotic white counterparts? >>> Irrespective of skin colour, capitalists' first loyalty is to profit. Also, >>> black capitalists must catch up in terms of accumulation so are less >>> inclined to make "patriotic" investments, and less still to uplift the >>> working class on whose back profits are predicated. >>> >>> Despite the ANC's electoral support from the black working class, it is >>> essentially a capitalist party. Privatisation, cuts in social spending, >>> HIV/Aids policy, commercialisation and user-pays public services are among >>> many policies that go against the interests of the working class. >>> >>> The SACP leadership fails to recognise this so it continues to sell the >>> false idea that the ANC-led state can be reformed to favour working-class >>> interests. But the capitalist state under the ANC has not become more biased >>> towards workers. In fact, SACP leaders in government have often been the >>> most vociferous defenders of neoliberal policies. The latest example is >>> deputy transport minister Jeremy Cronin defending the Gauteng toll-road >>> system. >>> >>> As Lenin pointed out nearly a century ago, the bourgeois state transforms >>> those who work within it, not the other way round. We need to "smash the >>> bourgeois state", he said, and replace it with organs of working-class >>> power. Ironically, the SACP's "Marxist-Leninist" leaders are now fighting a >>> battle to their left to maintain their privileged positions in the ANC >>> government. >>> >>> So Carrim, Martins, Nzimande, Cronin, Gwede Mantashe and the entire >>> SACP membership need to ask more serious questions about their party. >>> Average working-class living standards are worse now than under apartheid, >>> with nearly 70% of black people living in poverty, nearly 50% unemployed, >>> and South Africa is the most unequal society in the world. >>> >>> The SACP produces socialist rhetoric but does little to distinguish it >>> from the bourgeois ANC. For all Nzimande's criticism of corruption and >>> tenderpreneurship, what have he and the SACP done to challenge it? In fact, >>> the SACP leadership supports Jacob Zuma for another presidential term, a man >>> who epitomises the plundering of state resources. >>> >>> We can only conclude that the SACP is not "a political party … interested >>> in power to advance the interests of the workers and the poor", but rather >>> provides a radical facade for the ANC's neoliberal project. It too nurtures >>> the middle-class material aspirations of many of its leaders and members, >>> aspirations met by state and trade-union positions. Its position on the NDR >>> ensures this. Those who take a more radical view or challenge the SACP >>> leadership are marginalised, victimised and even expelled. >>> >>> So, Rapule, there is much more at stake than just bad-man Blade. >>> >>> *Martin Jansen is the director of Workers World Media Productions. He >>> writes in his personal capacity.* >>> >>> -- >>> You are subscribed. 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