It is true cde Gugu we no longer have an organization here we have some kind of gangsterism. The question is how did we get to this phase of thuggery? What were some of the fault lines within the ANC and its league that contributed to the decay and paralysis of logic and principle?
If one had energy one would probably write a lengthy book on the subject.
In recent times the league has been under the influence of crude political
hyenas with no consideration of their actions to the organization and what
the organization represents to the masses of our people. But what always
remains crucial is for to resist the temptation of wanting to contextualize
the decay outside the broader ANC political dynamics. In this regard the
hegemonic cohesion of the ANC has been dependent on who leads it. And on
cases wherein we felt a new agenda was sprouting out we contextualized it
and gave it a name…i.e. the 1996 class project, tenderpreneurs, new
tendency, hyenas etc.
We characterized these groupings becoz we felt they represented what
differed to what our strategic objective and principled values of our
organization stipulated. But we always lived with these somewhat new
tendencies…politically we had never decisively confronted them
head-on...i.e. people chucked-out due to their unbecoming tendencies. We
have accepted these as differences which merely needed to be managed and we
pride ourselves as managers of contradictions in our ever broader church
and little did we acknowledge that such acceptance would later lead
to in-roads towards a real decay.
This acceptance of new and somewhat foreign tendencies was amplified after
Mbalula’s Term as president and when we were supporting JZ to be president
of the ANC. I can still recall when ANCYL delegates were showing us their
naked asses when they were supposed to be dealing with conference matters…I
do not have to say a lot about Polokwane as I think it is still fresh in
our minds.
The very senior leaders who are condemning the thuggery in Juju and company
were silent when the very same culprits were dissing TM and company.
Fortunately I personally supported the move to change was appeared to be a
stubborn TM, but I was always amazed at silence of the ANC in what was
completely ill-discipline manner of engaging our president. May be one may
differ if I were to say we made these thugs {Ok Cassel made us these thugs}
but we endorsed them.
In thuggerish conditions what matters is the ‘end’, there is little or no
consideration of the ‘means’ and the implication of the process. Hence to
them it does not matter whether they fundamentally contradict themselves
several times on several positions, what matters is that they invoke
sympathy of their supporters who either lack foresight or too hungry to see
obvious deception.
In attempting to deal with tendency we must agree that it was never limited
to Juju and company but it is an organization issue which warrant an RDP
{Reconstruction and Development Programme} of the soul.
Regards
Cde Aphiwe
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:47 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> **
> At some point in time we will have to accept the generation elected at
> Gallagher does not have a capacity to lead and provide political posture
> informed by organizational principles.
>
> I would blame us equally as branch members for allowing for such a
> situation to prevail. We allow the branches to be used by higher structures
> in order to advance the interest of the few individuals. We are so quick to
> support names because of vested interest of making it in a particular
> slate. I have said this before, we branch comrades without backbone are
> equally responsible.
> I don't buy the principles comrade put on social networks and forums like
> these, comrades need to strengthen the organisation from the branches,
> choose delegates on merits instead of buying them, if comrades serve in
> higher structures (i.e regional etc) assist branches fix problems and not
> be part of problem we can start talking principle. For now its time to
> practice logic and principle we all shouting about.
>
> Regards
> Sbu
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
> ------------------------------
> *From: *Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]>
> *Sender: *[email protected]
> *Date: *Tue, 8 May 2012 10:33:45 +0200
> *To: *<[email protected]>
> *ReplyTo: *[email protected]
> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] 17 NEC members ask the ANC S-G to
> intervene in the ANC Youth League
>
>
> "Pule got what was coming to him as much as Julius did"????
>
> The story with Julius and Magaqa is supposed to be that they were elected
> at Gallagher, and therefore must remain in office.
>
> When it comes to Pule, he was elected at Gallagher, but according to the
> same people, he must go.
>
> Never mind about principles, what about logic? There is no reason here. It
> is just gangsterism.
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong.
>
>
> VC
>
>
>
> On 8 May 2012 09:53, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It does sound rather absurd what happened in that meeting, but only if we
>> assume that decisions are taken by majority only. It could have been a
>> discussion and not all people speak in a discussion. Secondly the Chair has
>> no obligation to summarize only based on majority but also based on the
>> substance and 'quality' of discussions. The other issue we must consider is
>> that we are not operating in a normal political set up. Here there is clear
>> factionalism and division and therefore unprecedented and factional
>> decisions tend to emerge. But I maintain that Pule got what was coming to
>> him as much as Julius did, so from me there are no crocodile tears. I'm
>> just worried that the NEC is not ceasing the opportunity to take us
>> forward, ppl keep saying Asijiki whilst in reality they are still focused
>> on the past. We are lacking leadership generally macom and that's what
>> should be discussed.
>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *[email protected]
>> *Sender: *[email protected]
>> *Date: *Tue, 8 May 2012 07:43:19 +0000
>> *To: *<[email protected]>
>> *ReplyTo: *[email protected]
>> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] 17 NEC members ask the ANC S-G to
>> intervene in the ANC Youth League
>>
>>
>> This article makes no sense mathematically. If it's indeed true that 17
>> (assuming its directly elected) NEC members question the removal of Mabe
>> than the matter would not have passed in the meeting eg: 31-17=14 therefore
>> meaning those against the motion are in majority.
>>
>> Ta
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *VC <[email protected]>
>> *Sender: *[email protected]
>> *Date: *Tue, 08 May 2012 06:22:17 +0200
>> *To: *<[email protected]>
>> *ReplyTo: *[email protected]
>> *Subject: *[YCLSA Discussion] 17 NEC members ask the ANC S-G to
>> intervene in the ANC Youth League
>>
>>
>> [image: The Times]
>>
>>
>> *ANCYL NEC members plead with Mantashe*****
>> ** **
>> ** **
>> *Olebogeng Molatlhwa, The Times, Johannesburg, 8 May, 2012*
>> ** **
>> A group of disgruntled ANC Youth League members has expressed
>> dissatisfaction about the no-confidence vote passed against league
>> treasurer-general Pule Mabe at the weekend.
>> ** **
>> Seventeen members of the league's national executive committee have asked
>> the ruling party to intervene.****
>> ** **
>> They will submit their letters to the ANC secretary-general Gwede
>> Mantashe today, asking him to look into the circumstances that led to a
>> vote of no-confidence being passed against Mabe. As a result, Mabe was
>> removed from his post as treasurer-general and national executive committee
>> member.****
>> ** **
>> At the media briefing, at which the outcomes of the weekend's committee
>> meeting were outlined, the league revealed that Mabe was removed from his
>> position because members had lost confidence in him.****
>> ** **
>> The latest developments could give rise to speculation that the youth
>> league is now even more divided.****
>> ** **
>> Some league insiders are speculating that Mabe's expulsion was an attempt
>> to sideline him in the race to replace Malema as the league's president.*
>> ***
>> ** **
>> It is also understood that the 17 members had resolved to resign from the
>> national executive committee but their resignations were rejected.****
>> ** **
>> The youth league has for the first time openly accused the ruling party
>> of using internal disciplinary processes to fight political battles against
>> its leaders.****
>> ** **
>> Though this view has until now been the preserve of supporters of
>> expelled president Julius Malema and suspended secretary-general Sindiso
>> Magaqa, the league's national executive committee members yesterday openly
>> criticised the ANC for resorting to using internal party processes to
>> silence its leaders.****
>> ** **
>> Delivering the committee's statement following a heated meeting, the
>> youth league's deputy secretary-general, Kenetswe Mosenogi said, "We have
>> no doubt that our cause is fair and we call on all structures of the ANC to
>> work side by side with the youth league to challenge what is a gravely
>> unfortunate action of using discipline to deal with differences of opinion
>> on a political matter and a blatant attempt to suppress and silence the
>> views of young people."****
>> ** **
>> The statement expressed support for Malema, Magaqa and the league's
>> suspended spokesman, Floyd Shivambu.****
>> ** **
>> The statement continued: "The national executive committee unequivocally
>> resolved to disagree with the ruling of the national disciplinary committee
>> of appeal. The observations made by the committee [of appeal] undermine the
>> autonomy of the youth league."****
>> ** **
>> The league also called for the ANC's national executive committee to
>> intervene and ensure the "immediate reinstatement of our leaders".****
>> ** **
>> The statement questioned the reasons for Magaqa's suspension because he
>> had apologised to Public Enterprises Minister Malusi Gigaba, as ordered by
>> the national disciplinary committee last year.****
>> ** **
>> ANC spokesman Keith Khoza yesterday dismissed the youth league's
>> accusation and defiance, and its support for Malema and Magaqa, stating
>> that the matter had been settled.****
>> ** **
>> League deputy president Ronald Lamola yesterday dismissed suggestions
>> that the league was defining itself outside the ANC.
>>
>> ** **
>> *From:
>> http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2012/05/08/ancyl-nec-members-plead-with-mantashe
>> *
>> * *
>> * *
>> * *
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