circus de solei,merry go around.indeed mangaung must just come. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Aphiwe Bewana <[email protected]>wrote:
> It is true cde Gugu we no longer have an organization here we have some
> kind of gangsterism. The question is how did we get to this phase of
> thuggery? What were some of the fault lines within the ANC and its league
> that contributed to the decay and paralysis of logic and principle?
>
>
>
> If one had energy one would probably write a lengthy book on the subject.
> In recent times the league has been under the influence of crude political
> hyenas with no consideration of their actions to the organization and what
> the organization represents to the masses of our people. But what always
> remains crucial is for to resist the temptation of wanting to contextualize
> the decay outside the broader ANC political dynamics. In this regard the
> hegemonic cohesion of the ANC has been dependent on who leads it. And on
> cases wherein we felt a new agenda was sprouting out we contextualized it
> and gave it a name…i.e. the 1996 class project, tenderpreneurs, new
> tendency, hyenas etc.
>
>
>
> We characterized these groupings becoz we felt they represented what
> differed to what our strategic objective and principled values of our
> organization stipulated. But we always lived with these somewhat new
> tendencies…politically we had never decisively confronted them
> head-on...i.e. people chucked-out due to their unbecoming tendencies. We
> have accepted these as differences which merely needed to be managed and we
> pride ourselves as managers of contradictions in our ever broader church
> and little did we acknowledge that such acceptance would later lead
> to in-roads towards a real decay.
>
>
> This acceptance of new and somewhat foreign tendencies was amplified after
> Mbalula’s Term as president and when we were supporting JZ to be president
> of the ANC. I can still recall when ANCYL delegates were showing us their
> naked asses when they were supposed to be dealing with conference matters…I
> do not have to say a lot about Polokwane as I think it is still fresh in
> our minds.
>
> The very senior leaders who are condemning the thuggery in Juju and
> company were silent when the very same culprits were dissing TM and
> company. Fortunately I personally supported the move to change was appeared
> to be a stubborn TM, but I was always amazed at silence of the ANC in what
> was completely ill-discipline manner of engaging our president. May be one
> may differ if I were to say we made these thugs {Ok Cassel made us these
> thugs} but we endorsed them.
>
>
> In thuggerish conditions what matters is the ‘end’, there is little or no
> consideration of the ‘means’ and the implication of the process. Hence to
> them it does not matter whether they fundamentally contradict themselves
> several times on several positions, what matters is that they invoke
> sympathy of their supporters who either lack foresight or too hungry to see
> obvious deception.
>
> In attempting to deal with tendency we must agree that it was never
> limited to Juju and company but it is an organization issue which warrant
> an RDP {Reconstruction and Development Programme} of the soul.
>
> Regards
>
> Cde Aphiwe
>
>
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:47 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> **
>> At some point in time we will have to accept the generation elected at
>> Gallagher does not have a capacity to lead and provide political posture
>> informed by organizational principles.
>>
>> I would blame us equally as branch members for allowing for such a
>> situation to prevail. We allow the branches to be used by higher structures
>> in order to advance the interest of the few individuals. We are so quick to
>> support names because of vested interest of making it in a particular
>> slate. I have said this before, we branch comrades without backbone are
>> equally responsible.
>> I don't buy the principles comrade put on social networks and forums like
>> these, comrades need to strengthen the organisation from the branches,
>> choose delegates on merits instead of buying them, if comrades serve in
>> higher structures (i.e regional etc) assist branches fix problems and not
>> be part of problem we can start talking principle. For now its time to
>> practice logic and principle we all shouting about.
>>
>> Regards
>> Sbu
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]>
>> *Sender: *[email protected]
>> *Date: *Tue, 8 May 2012 10:33:45 +0200
>> *To: *<[email protected]>
>> *ReplyTo: *[email protected]
>> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] 17 NEC members ask the ANC S-G to
>> intervene in the ANC Youth League
>>
>>
>> "Pule got what was coming to him as much as Julius did"????
>>
>> The story with Julius and Magaqa is supposed to be that they were elected
>> at Gallagher, and therefore must remain in office.
>>
>> When it comes to Pule, he was elected at Gallagher, but according to the
>> same people, he must go.
>>
>> Never mind about principles, what about logic? There is no reason here.
>> It is just gangsterism.
>>
>> Please correct me if I am wrong.
>>
>>
>> VC
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 May 2012 09:53, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> It does sound rather absurd what happened in that meeting, but only if
>>> we assume that decisions are taken by majority only. It could have been a
>>> discussion and not all people speak in a discussion. Secondly the Chair has
>>> no obligation to summarize only based on majority but also based on the
>>> substance and 'quality' of discussions. The other issue we must consider is
>>> that we are not operating in a normal political set up. Here there is clear
>>> factionalism and division and therefore unprecedented and factional
>>> decisions tend to emerge. But I maintain that Pule got what was coming to
>>> him as much as Julius did, so from me there are no crocodile tears. I'm
>>> just worried that the NEC is not ceasing the opportunity to take us
>>> forward, ppl keep saying Asijiki whilst in reality they are still focused
>>> on the past. We are lacking leadership generally macom and that's what
>>> should be discussed.
>>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *[email protected]
>>> *Sender: *[email protected]
>>> *Date: *Tue, 8 May 2012 07:43:19 +0000
>>> *To: *<[email protected]>
>>> *ReplyTo: *[email protected]
>>> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] 17 NEC members ask the ANC S-G to
>>> intervene in the ANC Youth League
>>>
>>>
>>> This article makes no sense mathematically. If it's indeed true that 17
>>> (assuming its directly elected) NEC members question the removal of Mabe
>>> than the matter would not have passed in the meeting eg: 31-17=14 therefore
>>> meaning those against the motion are in majority.
>>>
>>> Ta
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *VC <[email protected]>
>>> *Sender: *[email protected]
>>> *Date: *Tue, 08 May 2012 06:22:17 +0200
>>> *To: *<[email protected]>
>>> *ReplyTo: *[email protected]
>>> *Subject: *[YCLSA Discussion] 17 NEC members ask the ANC S-G to
>>> intervene in the ANC Youth League
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: The Times]
>>>
>>>
>>> *ANCYL NEC members plead with Mantashe*****
>>> ** **
>>> ** **
>>> *Olebogeng Molatlhwa, The Times, Johannesburg, 8 May, 2012*
>>> ** **
>>> A group of disgruntled ANC Youth League members has expressed
>>> dissatisfaction about the no-confidence vote passed against league
>>> treasurer-general Pule Mabe at the weekend.
>>> ** **
>>> Seventeen members of the league's national executive committee have
>>> asked the ruling party to intervene.****
>>> ** **
>>> They will submit their letters to the ANC secretary-general Gwede
>>> Mantashe today, asking him to look into the circumstances that led to a
>>> vote of no-confidence being passed against Mabe. As a result, Mabe was
>>> removed from his post as treasurer-general and national executive committee
>>> member.****
>>> ** **
>>> At the media briefing, at which the outcomes of the weekend's committee
>>> meeting were outlined, the league revealed that Mabe was removed from his
>>> position because members had lost confidence in him.****
>>> ** **
>>> The latest developments could give rise to speculation that the youth
>>> league is now even more divided.****
>>> ** **
>>> Some league insiders are speculating that Mabe's expulsion was an
>>> attempt to sideline him in the race to replace Malema as the league's
>>> president.****
>>> ** **
>>> It is also understood that the 17 members had resolved to resign from
>>> the national executive committee but their resignations were rejected.**
>>> **
>>> ** **
>>> The youth league has for the first time openly accused the ruling party
>>> of using internal disciplinary processes to fight political battles against
>>> its leaders.****
>>> ** **
>>> Though this view has until now been the preserve of supporters of
>>> expelled president Julius Malema and suspended secretary-general Sindiso
>>> Magaqa, the league's national executive committee members yesterday openly
>>> criticised the ANC for resorting to using internal party processes to
>>> silence its leaders.****
>>> ** **
>>> Delivering the committee's statement following a heated meeting, the
>>> youth league's deputy secretary-general, Kenetswe Mosenogi said, "We have
>>> no doubt that our cause is fair and we call on all structures of the ANC to
>>> work side by side with the youth league to challenge what is a gravely
>>> unfortunate action of using discipline to deal with differences of opinion
>>> on a political matter and a blatant attempt to suppress and silence the
>>> views of young people."****
>>> ** **
>>> The statement expressed support for Malema, Magaqa and the league's
>>> suspended spokesman, Floyd Shivambu.****
>>> ** **
>>> The statement continued: "The national executive committee unequivocally
>>> resolved to disagree with the ruling of the national disciplinary committee
>>> of appeal. The observations made by the committee [of appeal] undermine the
>>> autonomy of the youth league."****
>>> ** **
>>> The league also called for the ANC's national executive committee to
>>> intervene and ensure the "immediate reinstatement of our leaders".****
>>> ** **
>>> The statement questioned the reasons for Magaqa's suspension because he
>>> had apologised to Public Enterprises Minister Malusi Gigaba, as ordered by
>>> the national disciplinary committee last year.****
>>> ** **
>>> ANC spokesman Keith Khoza yesterday dismissed the youth league's
>>> accusation and defiance, and its support for Malema and Magaqa, stating
>>> that the matter had been settled.****
>>> ** **
>>> League deputy president Ronald Lamola yesterday dismissed suggestions
>>> that the league was defining itself outside the ANC.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>> *From:
>>> http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2012/05/08/ancyl-nec-members-plead-with-mantashe
>>> *
>>> * *
>>> * *
>>> * *
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