Comrades, comrades, comrades, there is nothing wrong with the ANC wanting whites to vote for them, we do mind you have whites within the movement and I don't think they can be segregated or ignored; ANC afterall strives for a non-racial, non-sexist democratic society.
You are right Gugu, some are still very angry! On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Sibusiso W. Nkosi <[email protected]>wrote: > Anc desparate for the white vote, SMH..... > > [email protected] wrote: > > >Black people are addicted to white supremacy; they derive a sense of > importance in being "called to a meeting" by the white groups; it is > absolutely fluttering. They love discussion documents better than they do > land acquisition for the majority. White people, on the other hand, love > the land. They continue to acquire more of it and they keep black people > from it. They are running the food security of this country; black people > are running nothing. While black people tear each other apart debating > ideology and who should succeed whom, the mines and minerals receive even > stiffer protection in the hands of liberalised capitalist elite with the > cunning face of the British. And what do the black people continue to do? > Debate, debate and debate...about the things they do not own. As if to say > 'we do not want them for our people; we want them for a few of us and the > majority of us can just carry on debating.' It is so sad. > > > >Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >Sender: [email protected] > >Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 04:11:40 > >To: <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Afrikaans Dialogue Summit - Statement > > > >I think if we can take the document titled Colonialism of a Special Type > we would have a clear view and a better analysis towards this event. This > document without going to much detail actually recognizes the need for > inclusiveness of smaller groups especially the Afikaaner community and it > is the responsibility of the ANC to meet with these groups and discuss any > issue which they might have which would lead to nation building. > > > >We also have to be receptive over the CODESA negotiations and the views > of those who refute any talks of this nature. The fact is those > negotiations did not fully express or up to a great extent the plight of > those who have been disenfranchised for many years while it it the very > same people who oppressed them. There are therefore lessons to be learned, > according to a book by Vladimir Shubin titled ANC a View from Moscow, > during the Wankie operation, Chris Hani raised certain views sharply > against the ANC leadership. He questioned them of certain status they where > acquiring for themselves and their family members and close associate from > mainly the then government. He questioned the salaries and stipends, > benefits they receive, cars they would get, how children of leaders would > be sent to oversees universities to study while other MK and comrades where > in exile. I suppose he was concern highly so with the causal relationship > and meetings of ANC leaders with those who are perceived to be enemies > then, and how the ANC leaders would benefit out of these relations. It is > no wonder then that the current decent would surface when such events take > place. > > > >I think time and patience has a way of bringing clarity. We have to trust > our decisions and that of our leaders based on the relevant theoretical > material at hand that all efforts are for nation building and as a congress > movement we hold the capacity to take any decision that would make the > socioeconomic standards of the disenfranchised better at the Mangaung > conference in particular. > > > >Regards > >Sbu > >Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >Sender: [email protected] > >Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:13:59 > >To: <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Afrikaans Dialogue Summit - Statement > > > >I really wish to differ with you cde Mthimkulu; you see the ANC has, for > 18 years done what you think would not happen in that meeting; protecting > the rights and privelages of those who benefited from aphartheid. > > > >It is important to face up to empirical evidence before us, social > transformation has not been held up entirely by those that we think have. > Infact the biggest holders of social transformation are our very own > elected representatives, whom have viewed public office as a vehicle to > amass wealth for themselves and their families. > > > >This meeting, in my view, was more of another Codesa of some sort. Where > Black leaders assure Afrikaaners that despite all the fury surrounding land > reform and nationalisation the ANC would not be making any drastic policy > changes that would see them losing their wealth etc. It was more to > entrench confidence to the Afrikaaners that no matter how much discussions > take place at the Conference in Mangaung the ANC would continue to ensure > that all rights of all citizens in society are protected. > > > >Sadly Black South Africa will one day wake up to that realisation. The > realisation that no matter how much we talk and discuss, material change in > our societies will forever be mirrored in policy documents. Whilst it > continues to secure 3/4 of its total votes from black people; part of its > top priorities upon re-election is the appeasement of all the minority > groups that differed to its election. > > > >Yes we may choose to ignore what is before us now, or we may pretend that > it's not happening, but reality is: It is our children and our childrens > children that will continue to suffer from the injustices created by white > people upon their settlement in this land. It does not take profound > knowledge of history to see this. > > > >I thank you all. > > > >S.C. Makananda > >Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: "Mthimkulu Mashiya" <[email protected]> > >Sender: [email protected] > >Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:18:19 > >To: <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Afrikaans Dialogue Summit - Statement > > > >I sympathise with and understand the uneasiness expressed by cde Ngoako > Matsha in an earlier posting. I want to believe however that the SG, TG > and the other leaders are not going to be hoodwinked into protecting > privileges of those who benefited from apartheid. > > > >There are those who are in denial about benefiting from apartheid and who > want us to believe they got to their privileged position on merit. These > are very people who block & frustrate all efforts and actions aimed at > social transformation. > > > >The ANC's historic mission to unite the people of South Africa must not > be abused! > >Mthimkulu Mashiya > >Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: VC <[email protected]> > >Sender: [email protected] > >Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 18:10:16 > >To: <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Afrikaans Dialogue Summit - Statement > > > > > >ANC > > > >*ANC Media Release, 8 March 2012* > > > > > >*ANC Afrikaans Dialogue Summit Statement* > > > > > >A successful summit was held today for the whole day at the Protea > >Balalaika Hotel in Sandton. It was a well-attended summit with positive > >outcomes. > > > >A senior NEC delegation of the African National Congress met today with > >leaders from a wide ranging group of Afrikaans organisations, including > >representatives of 19 organisations, academics, intellectuals, business, > >religious, cultural and other community leaders. The ANC was led by its > >Secretary General, Mr Gwede Mantashe, Treasurer General, Mathews Phosa, > >other NEC members, Ministers, Renier Schoeman and Daryl Swanepoel. > > > >The meeting was characterised by frank, open and direct discussion, and > >took place in an honest and constructive atmosphere. All parties > >expressed their appreciation for the platform and enthusiasm to be > >involved in the envisaged process. The process will also be expanded to > >include other organisations that were not present at today's summit. > > > >The meeting identified a number of priority areas dear to the Afrikaans > >speaking community which require discussion and debate leading to > >consensus. This included, amongst others, the question of education and > >training, land reform, economic empowerment, as well as language, > >linguistic & cultural rights. > > > >The Afrikaans Dialogue, organised under the auspices of the ANC > >programme for an inclusive South Africa, was called in order to take the > >discussion of nation-building, reconciliation and inclusiveness forward, > >which took place at the request of the NEC and in response to the > >progress made over the last two years in this regard. 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