On 17/09/2020 10:40, Bas Mevissen wrote:
> On 2020-09-17 10:43, Paul Barker wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> After a bit of a break I'm looking again at the meta-kernel layer and
>> I've got some changes planned. I'd like to get some feedback on these
>> from anyone who has looked at or used the meta-kernel layer.
>>
>> 1) Change the name to meta-vanilla-kernel. This reflects the focus on
>> providing a fast moving layer for vanilla kernel recipes, covering
>> only what is available on kernel.org. Other common kernel recipes
>> (e.g. Linaro or Android common kernels) will no longer be considered
>> for acceptance into this layer. This clear focus should hopefully
>> reduce some of the confusion about the goals of this layer.
>>
> 
> I would suggest calling it something like meta-kernel.org then. Naming
> something "vanilla" might cause confusion as well.

I wasn't going to be blamed for the bike shedding of this but as we've
gotten started I'll stick my oar in. My suggestion would be
meta-mainline-kernel, meta-linux-kernel or potentially
meta-upstream-kernel but I'm not so keen on that. Vanilla is a confusing
term for people not in the game and you know at some point there will be
a "vanilla-pi" or "vanilla" board where you're going to hit confusion.

As an aside I saw no issues with meta-kernel as it's _the_ Linux kernel
from _the_ Linux kernel git repositories. Confusion due to doublespeak
from downstream kernel vendors should be corrected and not adhered to.

> 
>> 2) The dunfell branch will no longer get new non-LTS kernel recipes.
>> Providing non-LTS recipes on a stable branch has led to people
>> depending on kernels which are now out of their support period - I'd
>> like to drop the recipes for the 5.3.y and 5.6.y kernels but users are
>> depending on them so I'll have to keep them. To avoid this
>> proliferating, only LTS kernels and the bleeding edge mainline recipe
>> will be updated on the stable branch from now >>
>> 3) Aggressively drop end-of-life kernels on the master branch.
>>
>> 4) Drop all non-LTS kernel recipes in the gatesgarth branch when it is
>> created.
>>

I think these are fair, I can't speak for how other people are using the
layer but I would imagine as with most embedded boards, they're using
the tooling rather than the plain upstream recipes and the real value is
in catching problems with -next kernel compilation early and the
fixes/features pushed back to kernel.bbclass.

>> 5) Document the test coverage for meta-kernel. We don't test perf,
>> lttng or any out-of-tree modules. This layer isn't meant to replace
>> the linux-yocto recipes, the goals are different. If you're releasing
>> products based on meta-kernel you obviously need to do your own
>> testing on the components you're actually using.

I wouldn't be expecting anything more than basic build and boot on qemu
to be fair. Again, IMO the value of this is in the toolchain test and
tooling.

>>
>> 6) Document the policy for kernel patches. Patches for the kernel will
>> only be carried in this layer as a last resort. Kernel patches should
>> be submitted upstream and go through the usual process for inclusion
>> in the stable kernel releases.

Compilation patches only I would say.

>>
>> 7) Disable GitLab CI for this layer. It's costing me about £70 per
>> month to run CI for this layer and I need to eliminate that expense.
>> If anyone can sponsor this or host the CI service that would be welcome.
>>
>> 8) Add Jon Mason and Ross Burton (both at ARM) as backup maintainers
>> to reduce the bus factor for the layer. I'll continue to be the
>> primary maintainer for this layer but this will give some coverage if
>> I'm unable to continue working on it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Paul Barker
>> Konsulko Group
>>

Cheers,
Jack.
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