ED: About the three points you make any of them are of real value because the experience of mindfulness differs from person to person. You can only use the tools of how to produce the energy of mindfulness and only in that way you will know what you are your findings, what is your experience. No one can answer to this but only yourself. And as for your comments: 1- The word perfect is not in the buddhist or zen vocabulary. Mindfulness is amongst dharma teachings in the TNH tradition. 2- Mindfulness is not a goal but something that can be experienced right away in the here and the now once one starts to be put into practice. 3 - Everything that arises in the body and the mind mindfulness takes care of all that. Mayka
--- On Thu, 3/3/11, ED <[email protected]> wrote: From: ED <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 3 March, 2011, 17:34 Mike, Is the following set of statements more acceptable to you? --ED PS: The post is, naturally, addressed to all. ----- Mindfulness in the present moment is the simultaneous existence of three states: (1) A clear and bright awareness of experiences in the present moment (2) A non-grasping and non-pushing-away of these experiences, without a sense of I/me/mine, or of subject/object (3) Nothing else exists in the mind, and in paricular no thoughts, judgments or evaluations Comments: Mindfulness, imperfect to begin with, is a method. Perfect mindfulness is a goal. Perfect mindfulness is the outcome of much practice of perfect and imperfect mindfulnes over shorter time intervals. Continuous perfect mindfulnes is the equivalent of ????? in Zen? Is 'shikantaza' none other than mindfulness on the zafu? --ED --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > ED, > > I think you're right on the button with number (1) and the all but the last > sentence of number (2), because we always have the awareness of 'I am' > (unlike > mindfulness which comes and goes ie, a mental state). > > I think shikentaza is mostly about mindfulness on the mat, but it's also > about > being non-judgemental about anything that comes up while you're sitting. > Sartori > is much more about the waking up to awareness than awareness itself. > > Mike > Mike, here's my take: > Mindfulness in the present moment is the simultaneous existence of two > states: > (1) A clear and bright awareness of experiences in the present moment > (2) A non-grasping and non-pushing-away of these experiences, without a sense > of > I/me/mine > Mindfulness over a time interval is mindfulness in every instant of that time > interval. > Being mindful over long time intervals eventually merges into a state of > continuous 'pure awareness'. > ---- > Two questions: > Is 'shikantaza' none other than mindfulness on the zafu? > Is the state of 'pure awareness' identical with the state of satori? > --ED
