We know that the Earth revolves around the Sun, but we still act and manage our
day, as though the sun raises in the east and descends in the west. Actions may
well precede thoughts (a good argument for supporting that we are
already inherently enlightened?), but we still need to be aware of those
thoughts that seem to precede action.
Mike
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From: Healthyplay1 <healthypl...@yahoo.com>
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 9 March, 2011 13:09:25
Subject: Re: [Zen] Two Potent Quotes
Um... so does forensics psychology. So-- its as simple as an unconscious wish
--"manifests"?
Sorry to interrupt. ..
Hi Chris and Mike. It may interest you to look at the classic
neurological experiments of Dr. Benjamin Libet. They have been
replicated many times. They seem to conclusively show that
action precedes conscious awareness of intending to act.
Steve
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "SteveW" <eugnostos2000@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:20 AM, mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote:
> >
> > >Well, of course an action can't be performed by thought (Uri Geller proved
> > that point), but it
> > > usually has its genesis in that thought, and the thought process continues
> > making
> > > observations and judgements during and after the particular action.
> >
> > I don't think that's really true. I think people may retroactively make up
> > some story about this or that thought leading to some action, but generally
> > the action arises. And judgements are totally separate, really if you
> > believe the judgment, it is a separate action.
> >
> > I certainly empathise with the 'everyday lifeness' (I think that's a new
> > > phrase) sentiment of your point, but I find the opposite to be true. When
I
> > > equivocate or second guess myself in a situation where an immediate
>response
> > > would be preferrable, I usually end up making a mess, or regreting, a
> > > situation that might have been better dealt with spontaneously and
> > > intuitively. This is not to suggest, however, that some decisions
shouldn't
> > > be made thru careful consideration of the facts, it's just that we often
do
> > > this quite needlessly.
> >
> >
> > Whoa! I'm sure I never wrote about equivocate, second guessing, or avoiding
> > the spontaneous action (personally, I find "intuitive" to be a word tightly
> > linked to thoughts - a flash of intuitive insight is something I stake my
> > professional life on, and it is always a thought, never an action. Careful
> > consideration of the facts? Eh, sometimes I guess. Certainly not in the
> > example I used of catching an ice cream scoop as it falls to the floor. I
> > suppose when you are trying to decide on what house to buy with your spouse,
> > some planning activity is useful, but I try not to get carried away with it
> > or too attached.
> >
> > --Chris
> >
> Hi Chris and Mike. It may interest you to look at the classic
> neurological experiments of Dr. Benjamin Libet. They have been
> replicated many times. They seem to conclusively show that
> action precedes conscious awareness of intending to act.
> Steve
>
