Certainly precepts do no good in the mind. Only when they are our flesh and bones are they precepts.
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 30, 2011, at 14:21, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Mayka, > > >Bill has a point. The less adds on the most likely to experience reality as > >it is. > > Taken to the ultimate conclusion being that we don't need *any* of the > precepts in mind to "experience reality as it is". > > Mike > > From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, 31 March, 2011 4:52:54 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > > Bill has a point. The less adds on the most likely to experience reality as > it is. > > At the same time Steve also has a point. Living philosophies may embrace in > compassion the whole universe. > > Mayka > > --- On Wed, 30/3/11, SteveW <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: SteveW <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, 30 March, 2011, 17:52 > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > > Steve, > > > > I fundamentally disagree. > > > > Buddhism, as well as Judiasm/Christianity/Islam, and all other religions I > > know about are based on the essense of zen. They are all, including > > Buddhism, just layers that have been built up around zen and serve to > > occlude the essense of zen to varying extents. I will say that Buddhism has > > the least occluding layers of the religions I have read about, but it still > > has a lot. > > > > ...Bill! > > > Hi Bill! In my opinion, there are two aspects to the human phenomenon of > religion. One aspect is the evolved religios which binds society together in > a shared identity. This is just an evolved trait that is useful from the > view-point of group selection. The other aspect is the awakened insight into > Suchness. But some religions as they exist now are more effective vehicles > for encouraging awakened insight into Suchness than others. Within each of > the Big Three Abrahamic traditions, there have arisen minority mystical > movements that are a spontaneous expression of Enlightened Mind, but they > have always been regarded as heretical. Even the most literal-minded Pureland > Buddhist realizes that the ultimate goal is awakening. They just want to go > to Buddhist Heaven where they imagine that awakening will be easier. But they > still understand that ultimately it is more than just going to Heaven. And > so, as you yourself note, Buddhism has the least occluding layers. The > average Christian would not regard Meister Eckhart as being a real Christian. > Steve > > > > >
