Certainly precepts do no good in the mind. Only when they are our flesh and 
bones are they precepts. 

Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
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On Mar 30, 2011, at 14:21, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote:

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> 
> Mayka,
>  
> >Bill has a point. The less adds on the most likely to experience reality as 
> >it is.   
>  
> Taken to the ultimate conclusion being that we don't need *any* of the 
> precepts in mind to "experience reality as it is".
>  
> Mike
> 
> From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thu, 31 March, 2011 4:52:54
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse
> 
> Bill has a point. The less adds on the most likely to experience reality as 
> it is.   
>  
> At the same time Steve also has a point.  Living philosophies may embrace in 
> compassion the whole universe.
>  
> Mayka
>  
> --- On Wed, 30/3/11, SteveW <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> From: SteveW <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Wednesday, 30 March, 2011, 17:52
> 
>  
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
> >
> > Steve,
> > 
> > I fundamentally disagree.
> > 
> > Buddhism, as well as Judiasm/Christianity/Islam, and all other religions I 
> > know about are based on the essense of zen. They are all, including 
> > Buddhism, just layers that have been built up around zen and serve to 
> > occlude the essense of zen to varying extents. I will say that Buddhism has 
> > the least occluding layers of the religions I have read about, but it still 
> > has a lot.
> > 
> > ...Bill!
> > 
> Hi Bill! In my opinion, there are two aspects to the human phenomenon of 
> religion. One aspect is the evolved religios which binds society together in 
> a shared identity. This is just an evolved trait that is useful from the 
> view-point of group selection. The other aspect is the awakened insight into 
> Suchness. But some religions as they exist now are more effective vehicles 
> for encouraging awakened insight into Suchness than others. Within each of 
> the Big Three Abrahamic traditions, there have arisen minority mystical 
> movements that are a spontaneous expression of Enlightened Mind, but they 
> have always been regarded as heretical. Even the most literal-minded Pureland 
> Buddhist realizes that the ultimate goal is awakening. They just want to go 
> to Buddhist Heaven where they imagine that awakening will be easier. But they 
> still understand that ultimately it is more than just going to Heaven. And 
> so, as you yourself note, Buddhism has the least occluding layers. The 
> average Christian would not regard Meister Eckhart as being a real Christian.
> Steve
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