Here I thought the Orgy houses and zen were synonymous. I come from the crazy wisdom folks of the SHAMballa tradition. Good ol' Trungpa. What a wise dirty ol' man. There is no better way to be one with everything, to be one with everything while being one with someone. I would be happy to help anyone run an orgyhouse, and become enlightened. I think Alan Watts put this forth the idea that sex is a wonderful way to experience nothingness in his book Cloud-hidden. This whole idea is well embraced at Naropa with their naked parties and such. However, I'm not pretty enough, nor interested enough in unshaven women to have participated in them. Yet, I still understand the structures of such functions.I'm a perfect candidate to run one of these zen orgyhouses! I will not foil the product (Zen or the whores that work at the house). There is nothing that one can do to escape that of existence, or even that of being mindful.All is mindful, do you think a fly questions his flying, or does he only fly? In the purest way he is zen in just flying. We must take a look at sex much like this shouldn't we? Sex is just a bodily reaction to hormones. Just like pooping is a bodily reaction to eating. So, think of sex like pooping, in order to be a happy human you have to do it one way or another. And from personal experience ( I am not an Alpha male) I tend not to get laid, or even find females that are willing to touch me without cringing. So, an orgy house would be a great way to allow those of us who are lent with unfortunate genes to discover the oneness with someone else!
--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > Mayka, > > To be honest, I don't think we are talking about the same thing simply known > by > another name. What you describe about mindfulness below is 100% correct, but > doesn't describe the full story. I think that comment (from the Nisargadatta > maharaj video) says it all. "What is it that never changes? Experience that > directly." Now, what you describe below admits that at times (most of the > time?) > we're simply 'not there' and employ mindfulness to "bring the body and mind > together." This means we're constantly changing from one state > (mindlessness) to > another (mindfulness). By definition,this cannot be the unborn, undying > Supreme > Reality. When you're not being mindful and are "lost in your thoughts", have > you > simply vanished and ceased to be? No. There is still an awareness of being (I > Amness) - this is not the same as mindfulness because it IS what never > changes. > Where mindfulness comes in is in the cultivation of this awareness and is > never > ending. By the way, IMO this where Chris's quote about 'glimpsing the > Supreme > Reality is still yet not Awakening' applies. > > Mike > > rom: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, 3 April, 2011 18:42:51 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > >  > Mike: >  > Just one think to be pointed out from this insightful post of yours that > Siska > has brought back: >  > The activity of bringing the mind back to the present moment is also called > mindfulness. You may have paid already attention in yourself that often while > walking, doing different activities.  The body is in one place and the > mind is > lost in thoughts in another place. The body and the mind at those moments > are > not in togetherness, they are separated. Mindfulness brings the body and > mind > together at those moments. > >  > There are many different vehicles to be in contact with, find the heart of > reality. Mine is the one of mindfulness. Not necessarily anyone else. > >  > As ED pointed out some time ago; "Different strokes for different people" > >  > Enjoy your Sunday > Mayka > > > --- On Sat, 2/4/11, siska_cen@... <siska_cen@...> wrote: > > > >From: siska_cen@... <siska_cen@...> > >Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > >To: [email protected] > >Date: Saturday, 2 April, 2011, 14:24 > > > > > > > >Hi Mike, > > > >Like like like > > > >:-) > >siska > ________________________________ > > >From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> > >Sender: [email protected] > >Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 10:45:28 +0100 (BST) > >To: <[email protected]> > >ReplyTo: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > > > > > >Mayka, > > > >Yes, that would be an "extraordinary thought"!! It's not the living in the > >present moment that's the problem, it's the belief that there are moments > >we're > >not *always* living in the now (i.e "Damn, I was caught up in my thoughts > >for a > >while there. Better start being mindful and get back into living in the > >now." > >This is wrong thinking. We're always living in the now - it's never not now. > >Mindfulness doesn't "take" us there. As Alan Watts said, 'Where ever you go > >- > >there you are."  > > > >Mike > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Fri, 1 April, 2011 7:08:42 > >Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > > > > > >Mike; > > > >How it comes that living the present moment in awareness could become a > >double > >edged sword?. It never crossed my mind thinking "I've got mindfulness, > >yup-iii!", what an extraordinary thought!. > > > > > > However, I admit that I only practise diligent mindfulness most of > >times when > >I'm in my last legs. A bit like the Christians praying to God when they > >want > >something,  with the difference that here the miracle is operated > >by oneself > >work. Well, at least I found the door and also know how to open it. Are > >there > >more doors than this?. > > > > > >Mayka > > > > > >--- On Thu, 31/3/11, mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > > > > >>From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> > >>Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > >>To: [email protected] > >>Date: Thursday, 31 March, 2011, 22:31 > >> > >> > >> > >>Mayka, > >> > >>We just have to be careful with mindfulness - it's very much a double-edged > >>sword in that it can be the catalyst for awakening to reality, but it can > >>also > >>make us think we've 'got it' when in fact it's nothing but our ego taking > >>a very > >>subtle rest. Also, we need to get past the way we think of mindfulness. In > >>the > >>beginning we tend to find ourselves consciously employing it at specific > >>times. > >>"Right, I've done the tidying up, taken a shower and washed the dishes. > >>Now I'm > >>going to take the dog out and really focus on what I'm doing, feel the wind > >>on > >>my face, not zone out and follow any thoughts and really be here" All well > >>and > >>good. But what we've also done there, by definition, is to > >>separate ourselves > >>between not being mindfull and being mindful which in turn > >>also reinforces the > >>sense of separateness from our intrinsic awareness of Budhha. In simple > >>terms, there is an awareness that is unborn and undying right now whichin > >>Vedanta is expressed as 'I Am'. That awareness is right there with you when > >>you're washing the dishes and putting out the rubbish and is there prior to > >>just > >>when you think, "Now I'm going to practice mindfulness" and it's there when > >>you > >>stop being mindful. > >> > >>Mike > >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> > >>To: [email protected] > >>Sent: Thu, 31 March, 2011 7:39:29 > >>Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > >> > >> > >>Mike: > >> > >>That's right Mike. However, previous indications in the map and tools > >>were most > >>useful to experience reality as it is,  and not as we imagine it to be. > >> > >> > >>Mayka > >> > >> > >>--- On Wed, 30/3/11, mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> > >>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > >>>To: [email protected] > >>>Date: Wednesday, 30 March, 2011, 22:21 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Mayka, > >>> > >>>>Bill has a point. The less adds on the most likely to experience > >>>>reality as it > >>>>is.   > >>> > >>>Taken to the ultimate conclusion being that we don't need *any* of the > >>>precepts > >>>in mind to "experience reality as it is". > >>> > >>>Mike > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> > >>>To: [email protected] > >>>Sent: Thu, 31 March, 2011 4:52:54 > >>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > >>> > >>> > >>>Bill has a point. The less adds on the most likely to experience > >>>reality as it > >>>is.   > >>> > >>>At the same time Steve also has a point. Living philosophies may embrace > >>>in > >>>compassion the whole universe. > >>> > >>> > >>>Mayka > >>> > >>>--- On Wed, 30/3/11, SteveW <eugnostos2000@...> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>From: SteveW <eugnostos2000@...> > >>>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > >>>>To: [email protected] > >>>>Date: Wednesday, 30 March, 2011, 17:52 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>--- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Steve, > >>>>> > >>>>> I fundamentally disagree. > >>>>> > >>>>> Buddhism, as well as Judiasm/Christianity/Islam, and all other > >>>>> religions I know > >>>>>about are based on the essense of zen. They are all, including Buddhism, > >>>>>just > >>>>>layers that have been built up around zen and serve to occlude the > >>>>>essense of > >>>>>zen to varying extents. I will say that Buddhism has the least occluding > >>>>>layers > >>>>>of the religions I have read about, but it still has a lot. > >>>>> > >>>>> ...Bill! > >>>>> > >>>>Hi Bill! In my opinion, there are two aspects to the human phenomenon of > >>>>religion. One aspect is the evolved religios which binds society together > >>>>in a > >>>>shared identity. This is just an evolved trait that is useful from the > >>>>view-point of group selection. The other aspect is the awakened insight > >>>>into > >>>>Suchness. But some religions as they exist now are more effective > >>>>vehicles for > >>>>encouraging awakened insight into Suchness than others. Within each of > >>>>the Big > >>>>Three Abrahamic traditions, there have arisen minority mystical movements > >>>>that > >>>>are a spontaneous expression of Enlightened Mind, but they have always > >>>>been > >>>>regarded as heretical. Even the most literal-minded Pureland Buddhist > >>>>realizes > >>>>that the ultimate goal is awakening. They just want to go to Buddhist > >>>>Heaven > >>>>where they imagine that awakening will be easier. But they still > >>>>understand that > >>>>ultimately it is more than just going to Heaven. And so, as you yourself > >>>>note, > >>>>Buddhism has the least occluding layers. The average Christian would not > >>>>regard > >>>>Meister Eckhart as being a real Christian. > >>>>Steve > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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