Mayka, For me the misleading phrase was 'mentally name'. That sounds like you're going to just think 'drinking tea now, drinking tea now, ...' over and over in your head like a mantra. I didn't think that's what you meant...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: > > Bill; > You're interpretation is correct.  Appreciate a lot your imput and help > with the English language. Which words was I using leading to believe that I > was thinking of drinking tea? >  > Do I really express myself in such a broken English that only you is able to > understand?. Wow, and thought that it was so clear!!! >  > Mayka >  >  >  --- On Sat, 9/4/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, 9 April, 2011, 3:49 > > >  > > > > I'm going to jump in here because I see this from both perspectives - I think > - and I think it is another matter of miscommunication. > > If you're drinking tea and thinking of something else (like as 'as soon as > I'm done with my tea I'll go out and mow the lawn') then I'm sure you'd both > agree that is not 'mindfulness'. > > ED is saying if you're drinking tea and THINKING about drinking tea (like > 'gee this tea is really good!') then that also is not mindfulness. I agree. > > Mayka is saying when you drink tea you should only be drinking tea - nothing > else. She uses words that sound like she's thinking about drinking tea, but I > don't beleive that's what she means. She means Just THIS! When you're > drinking tea, Just THIS! is drinking tea. When you mowing you lawn, Just > THIS! is mowing your lawn. This is what I beleive Mayka means. If so, I agree. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote: > > > > ED; > > à> > Do you think so?.àI used this method for various years and seemed to > > work particularly during retreats.àAway from retreats and after a > > whileàI have to admit as far as my personal experience concerns no > > methods have worked out for me so far as emotions concerns.ààWhen I > > feel bad not only I feel bad but also have the necessity to share with > > other fellows human beings that I'm feeling bad.àI don't manage to get > > adjusted to this buddhisht-zen holinessàwhere everybody seem toàhave > > all emotions under control. à> > à> > We are what we are and thinking to change oneselves is the biggest illusion > > I've ever heard from all.àIn fact, Can a rose changeàit's nature of > > being a rose and became a carnation?.àà> > à> > àEventually we always come back to where we were.àNothing > > change.àThere is no walk though it looks like as if it were.àI > > haven't learnt anything.àI know nothing.à> > à> > Mayka > > à> > à> > --- On Thu, 7/4/11, ED <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > From: ED <seacrofter001@> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thursday, 7 April, 2011, 16:05 > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > > > > > à> > Mayka, if you are mentally naming it, you are using your rational mind.à> > -ED > > à> > --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote: > > > > > Hi Siska: > > à> > By the term "acknowledging" means to be aware of what is happening > > there.àFor instance: If you have a headache you mentally name: > > "headache".àBy the only acknowledgement of the headache many other > > sensations, impact of the headache in your whole bodyàand body > > languageàwill come into awareness through it.à> > à> > A much short example: > > à> > 1- I'm drinking tea (I'm drinking tea in an automatic way.àThere has > > not been an acknowledgement in the action.àThe head is > > distractedàsomewhere else away from the tea I'm drinking). > > à> > 2- I know I'm drinking tea.à( I have acknowledged drinking tea.àI > > know what I'm doing.àMy head is not distracted from the action of > > drinking tea) > > à> > Important not to exchange labelling for acknoledgement.àLabelling is > > mental exercise while acknowledgement goes with the motion of the present > > moment continuosly traveling and changing . > > à> > Mayka > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
