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________________________________ From: Bill! <billsm...@hhs1963.org> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 3 September 2012, 3:25 Subject: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" I agree with Mike's statement...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > Kris, > > >I might point out that apparent obscuration is no less reality than apparent > >clarity > > Reality is certainly there regardless, but reality seen with obscuration > leads to suffering, whereas reality seen with clarity will lead to the > cessation of suffering. That's all I need to know and that is my witness. > > Mike > > > > ________________________________ > From: Kristopher Grey <kris@...> > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 16:11 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > >  > I might point out that apparent obscuration is no less reality than apparent > clarity. In doing so, this point only dances around itself - offers nothing > you can't realize directly. > > What can anyone say in response that you will not directly > experience (realize) as some aspect of this reality/realization- > whether you realize it or not - just as when experiencing > meditation/not meditation? > > This more or less business is you triangulating your position. > Nothing more, nothing less. > > KG > > > > On 9/2/2012 5:57 AM, mike brown wrote: > >  > >Edgar, > > > > > >Wouldn't you say tho, that reality is less obscured during, or just after, a > >long retreat of meditation? > > > > > >Mike > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> > >To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 1:13 > >Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > > > > > > >Mike, > > > > > >Well, it's reality either way, but that reality is always changing as > >happening continually flows through the present moment. But however it > >changes it is still reality.... > > > > > >Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Sep 1, 2012, at 6:09 PM, mike brown wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >>Edgar, > >> > >> > >>Would you say that the world (inner/outer) you look at now is the same as > >>when you're at the end of a sesshin? > >> > >> > >> > >>Mike > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________ > >> From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> > >>To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > >>Sent: Saturday, 1 September 2012, 18:44 > >>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > >> > >> > >> > >>ED, > >> > >> > >>Stop practicing and just BE your Buddha Nature! > >> > >> > >>Edgar > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>On Sep 1, 2012, at 12:22 PM, ED wrote: > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>Edgar, > >>> > >>>Therefore, > although each > of us is > complete, we > need to > practice > >>>diligently at > all times with > no objective > in mind? > >>> > >>>--ED > >>> > >>>--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Joe and > Merle, > >>>> > >>>> There is > no 'goal' of > enlightenment > to be achieved > without which > you > >>>imagine you > are > incomplete.... > >>>> > >>>> There is > no > incompleteness. > This > understanding > is an > essential > aspect > >>>of > realization... > >>>> > >>>> Wham! > >>>> > >>>> Edgar > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
