They're not 'delusions', they are accounts of 'experience'. They are writing using logic in an attempt to get you to understand my experience, but I obviously am not doing a very good job.
--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Kristopher, > > You keep making excuses for Bill!'s delusions! > > Disagreement is not "a form of suffering" unless you are attached to it... > > Edgar > > > > On Sep 5, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote: > > > > > Comfortably stuck in cause and effect, you ignore the sledgehammer! > > > > It appears to me that Bill! is not denying food is required to maintain a > > body, that forms appear to maintain forms (no independent origination) - he > > is denying this assumption of "have to" - this neediness that goes with it. > > You don't need to live, and ultimately won't (impermanence). When hungry, > > eat if you are able. When this is perceived as need (AKA - lack), suffering > > will arise over your ability to do so, over thoughts of death. Your needs, > > your sense of lack, your suffering. > > > > Disagreement itself, a form of suffering. Misunderstanding, a form of > > recognition. Same. > > > > KG > > > > On 9/5/2012 10:14 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: > >> > >> O, for God's sakes Bill!!!!! > >> > >> > >> You are certifiable! I've never heard such metaphysical New Age nonsense > >> and certainly never expected it to come from your lips..... Enlightened > >> people don't need to eat! Sheesh! > >> > >> Edgar > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sep 5, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Bill! wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Edgar (no longer and Merle), > >>> > >>> After enlightenment you do not have to eat. You realize food is not > >>> essential. You may choose to eat, but you don't have to. > >>> > >>> Illusions do vanish upon realization of Buddha Nature. You may choose to > >>> bring them back or they may reappear without your choice. But after > >>> realizing Buddha Nature you know that all dualistic thought is > >>> fundamentally illusion (not real). > >>> > >>> ...Bill! > >>> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
