bill..bill bill..why must we argue?..i am me and you are you.
.. you are the zen of zen since you have been zenning for so long you have 
"forgotten" to forget the "rules".
.cos from what i gather there are no "rules"..and none in art either...artists 
are free to do what they will
 how much of your attention have you paid to art  in your lifespan?
you know what you like and i'd say that would be the gist of it
 that's fine
 however if you think for one moment i am going to swallow your pill about the 
third eye not being zen..think again,... 
if you have no understanding of the third eye at least do some homework..and 
google
 for christ sake and buddha's
 and then report back to me with the facts and not your interpretation of what 
you  believe the facts mean
 i skip and i sing..i dance and i laugh..through the daffodils at your blindness
 try the third eye
 you never know..a new reality
 the dawning of a new age for you..in enlightenment
 "woh" you will say and nod "ah ha"!
 experience is the mother of reality
 merle




  
Merle,

Good post and question.  My response is embedded below:

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote:
>
> i love order bill.
> 
> ... that's logic in play..

[Bill!]  Yes Merle, I love it too.  My entire professional career is based on 
developing and applying logic.  I love it so much that I have learned (through 
zen training - koan study specifically) that I must be very careful not to 
become attached to my love of logic.  That might be why you see me protesting 
much to most of Edgar's posts.

> . are you telling me you have changed your mind now..?

[No, I'm not sure where you got that impression.  Because I say there is some 
role for logic in art?  Yes, there is a role (or could be a role), but it is 
not the primary process.  The more logic put into art the more art approaches 
engineering - and the more creativity put into engineering the more it 
approaches art.  Art and engineering are actually the same things - human 
creations.  They only differ on the emphasis of logic versus creativity 
employed. 
> 
> . logic is part and parcel of any human endeavour
>  we live in an ordered world

[Bill!]  Logic is indeed part and parcel of any human endeavor, but not of 
Buddha Nature.  There is no dualisitc 'part and parcel' in Buddha Nature.  It 
is holistic.  It is Just THIS!

>  what planet are you coming from?...merle

[Bill!]  I don't come FROM anywhere.  I am.  I am here.  I am here now. 

...Bill!

> 
>  
> 
> 
> > Edgar,
> > 
> > The operative word here is 'big'.  Logic does not plays a 'big' part in 
> > engineering.  Logic does not play a 'big' part in art.  I didn't say it 
> > doesn't play any part.
> > 
> > ...Bill!
> 
>  >> 
> >> On Sep 7, 2012, at 4:58 AM, billsmart wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Logic plays a big part in engineering, not art...Bill!.
>


 

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