Edgar,

Oh...I'm glad you pointed that out.  I thought it was about naked yoga...Bill!

--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Bill,
> 
> Sure, sure, and then the master caught pneumonia and died!
> 
> The moral of the story is that cause and effect (it's actually consistency 
> not cause and effect but to make it simpler) rules the world of forms....
> 
> And all your Zen matters not a whit to that!
> 
> Edgar
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 8, 2012, at 4:38 AM, Bill! wrote:
> 
> > Kris,
> > 
> > "A Zen Master lived the simplest kind of life in a little hut at the foot 
> > of a mountain. One evening, while he was away, a thief sneaked into the hut 
> > only to find there was nothing in it to steal. The Zen Master returned and 
> > found him. "You have come a long way to visit me," he told the prowler, 
> > "and you should not return empty handed. Please take my clothes as a gift." 
> > The thief was bewildered, but he took the clothes and ran away. The Master 
> > sat naked, watching the moon. "Poor fellow," he mused, " I wish I could 
> > give him this beautiful moon."
> > 
> > ...Bill!
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Either way, makes me out to be a thief. ;)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Silence cannot be shared, so we interrupt it with talking so as not to 
> > > appear rude.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > KG
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 9/8/2012 1:13 AM, Bill! wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Kris,
> > > >
> > > > When you say it I prefer 'Suchness'.
> > > >
> > > > ...Bill!
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, 
> > > > Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "More" or less, misses the point again.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is nothing to do to realize this. There is only this 
> > > > experiencing.
> > > > > 'You' and your 'experience(s)' of objects/events are but aspects of
> > > > > this, arising and passing. Nothing could be simpler.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some realize this some don't. Doesn't change this. How could it 
> > > > > [rhet]?
> > > > > I realize you may only see and/or express this otherwise. Such is the
> > > > > nature of appearances. Suchness ("Just this" if you prefer).
> > > > >
> > > > > KG
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/8/2012 12:11 AM, Bill! wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kris,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More important than whether or not either of these personages 
> > > > actually
> > > > > > existed or how accurate the [translated] 3rd-person accounts of what
> > > > > > they did and what they said is that YOU EXPERIENCE what they are 
> > > > > > said
> > > > > > to have experienced.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And you can do that. I'm confident 10's of thousands or many more 
> > > > than
> > > > > > that have.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected] 
> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 9/7/2012 7:39 AM, mike brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > There is a *big* difference between these stories of Buddha and
> > > > > > > > Christ. With Buddha's story it makes no difference whether you
> > > > > > believe
> > > > > > > > Buddha was a real man or not...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So one you accept more readily because you believe it to likely be
> > > > > > > allegorical, the other you reject because you believe it claims 
> > > > to be a
> > > > > > > factual historical account? Surely you can see the irony in this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Every consider both/neither? That it doesn't mater whether EITHER 
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > these are stories of actual/factual others or not - as they only 
> > > > point
> > > > > > > to selfless realization, and reintegration/embodiment? That 
> > > > > > > they're
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > > expressions of the way, and are not offering anyone else's
> > > > > > > stories/practices/promises as things to cling to or reject? 
> > > > People take
> > > > > > > that upon themselves.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > KG
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> >
>




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