Siska, I prefer to say we all ARE enlightened beings, but that some of us just don't realize that yet...
We all live in the world of forms and all forms are illusions in the sense that they are not the individual things they seem to be but are actually empty information forms manifesting Buddha Nature like individual waves manifest water. The waves are merely empty information forms that arise in the water. Their true nature is not different individual waves but water. But they are also the individual information forms of the waves as well. It's seeing the whole ocean as it actually is that is realization. Similarly it is seeing all individual things of the world as empty wave forms manifesting the 'water' of a single ocean of reality each in its way that is realization, that is seeing the true nature of things.... Bill believes that only a perfectly still ocean is real Zen, and that no waves actually exist. But the ocean of reality is never still. One can still one's consciousness in meditation but around us the waves still move.... This belief is an impediment to the great koan of using the world of forms to find the ocean and to realizing Zen 24/7 in the world of forms.... Edgar On Feb 20, 2013, at 7:52 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Edgar, > > Aren't we ALL not enlightened beings, regardless what types? > > Or, at least I'm speaking for myself. > > Siska > ------Original Message------ > From: Edgar Owen > Sender: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ... > Sent: Feb 20, 2013 19:41 > > Siska, > > Those politically correct types who see racism where it doesn't exist are NOT > enlightened beings because they are still living in the world of illusion > their own minds construct for them... > Edgar > > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:43 AM, [email protected] wrote: Joe, > > Racism is part of Zen too, no? ;-) > > Siska > From: "Joe" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:26:54 -0000 To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ... > Siska, > > Fellow is just momentarily showing Racism, which is highly commercial these > days, and doesn't know or even care that he's out-numbered over a > billion-to-one. > > He can drop that Racism by joining the Human family. Zen practice can help, > there, whether practiced in antique temples or in factory buildings. The key > word is "practiced". It is not a head-game for sickly weaklings. > > --Joe > >> siska_cen@... wrote: >> >> Doesn't Zen include everything, including the so called act of dumb Chinese? >> Why is this one Zenless? > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
