Joe,

Tell us more about your "taking [your] samadhi or its aftermath up off the 
floor and into activity"....

Edgar



On Mar 22, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Joe wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> Zen training contains all sorts of practical work. Most of it is to give us 
> experience with taking our samadhi or its aftermath up off the floor and into 
> activity. We get a LOT of training in that. I like to say that only about 
> 1/13th of Zen training is Zazen. ;-)
> 
> The indispensable 1/13th-part.
> 
> Surely I advocate for the Zen way, in this Zen forum. And I say that insight 
> is not enough for a Zen person. A Zen person, in the first place, is not 
> practicing for insight. And insight is not in the name of (any of) our 
> practice(s).
> 
> When everything stops, there is no insight. Wisdom and compassion arise in 
> accord with circumstances. We do our daily work and do not create loose ends 
> and dangling karma. That's all I know about this!
> 
> --Joe
> 
> > uerusuboyo@... wrote:
> >
> > <br/>Joe,<br/><br/>No insult taken! <br/><br/>Yes, of course. If insight is 
> > left on the cushion and not integrated into daily life then it's not true 
> > insight. Same with satori, I would think. <br/><br/>Remember, Vipassana is 
> > simply insight into impermanence and cause and effect. Everything else 
> > flows from that. But it's not the same as the insight a physicist would 
> > have - it's experienced. And experienced in this body/mind, so taken where 
> > ever this body/mind is whether on the mat, doing the dishes, taking a dump 
> > etc. <br/><br/>To be at that place beyond cause and effect (karma, if you 
> > like) and conditions is Nirvana. It can be realised now in this very 
> > lifetime and there are many paths that can lead us to where we already are. 
> > Yours is just one. <br/><br/>Mike<br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone
> >
> 
> 

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