well you figure it out siska... we might be born knowing but it's sure drummed out of us...by the likes of those who want you to follow follow.. in their paths...merle
No Merle, I didn't ask you what knowing was. I asked whether there is any wisdom in the born knowing? You suddenly jumped to conclusion that I said everything I know had been taught by someone else. Siska ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 14:57:36 -0700 (PDT) To: [email protected]<[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] knowing siska... because you asked what knowing was?...merle Merle, what made you think I was telling you that all I "know" had been taught by someone else? Siska ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 20:32:49 -0700 (PDT) To: [email protected]<[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] knowing are you telling me siska... that everything you "know" you have been taught by someone else?..merle Any wisdom in this knowing? Siska ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:07:53 -0700 (PDT) To: [email protected]<[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: [Zen] knowing well how else to we know stuff..how else does intuition behave..if we are not born knowing?...merle Merle, Sorry, I can't figure out what you're saying, what with born knowing.... Siska ________________________________ siska..of course we know..we are born knowing..in the razzle matazzle of life in many cases knowing becomes a regimented institution organised by others who to feel secure drumming up their numbers...merle Siska, By now, I don't mind any of those things. The body and tongue recognize and "know" whether my tea or water is warm or cold. "Believe" me! You write: "I'm not comfortable with the term "know", as perhaps it implies identification, judgement, reference to memory, or else how do you "know" something?" In our practice, comfort is not too important, but relaxation is. And, yes, you use the word "perhaps", above; and I agree, "perhaps" all those things... . All those things are OK, and Human, though (although deluded in some cases). The classic Zen story about this uses the word "know" (but I am not sure about what the original Chinese is). And I use the word "know". Let's experimentally consider that "know" is what the body and tongue do when they recognize warm or cold. All other versions of "know" are just weak relatives of this Human and bodily "know". And when we use the word THEN -- to refer to those other cases -- it's ***THEN*** that we MIS-SPEAK. At THOSE times, Siska. OK, experiment complete. Sound the all-Clear. --Joe > siska_cen@... wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > I'm not comfortable with the term "know", as perhaps it implies > identification, judgement, reference to memory, or else how do you "know" > something? > > But I'm sure you (and Mike) did not mean "know" in this sense. > > Siska > > Siska, > > Howdy. > > You'll know the temperature of the water yourself when you drink it. > > (so goes the wise old observation, you know). > > --Joe
