Joe, Nah, body and mind won't "know" whether it is warm or cold. To borrow Bill's term, it would be Just This!
> The classic Zen story about this uses the word "know" (but I am not sure > about what the original Chinese is). Which classic Zen story? I'm interested to learn the chinese character. Siska -----Original Message----- From: "Joe" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:19:02 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] hand up! Siska, By now, I don't mind any of those things. The body and tongue recognize and "know" whether my tea or water is warm or cold. "Believe" me! You write: "I'm not comfortable with the term "know", as perhaps it implies identification, judgement, reference to memory, or else how do you "know" something?" In our practice, comfort is not too important, but relaxation is. And, yes, you use the word "perhaps", above; and I agree, "perhaps" all those things... . All those things are OK, and Human, though (although deluded in some cases). The classic Zen story about this uses the word "know" (but I am not sure about what the original Chinese is). And I use the word "know". Let's experimentally consider that "know" is what the body and tongue do when they recognize warm or cold. All other versions of "know" are just weak relatives of this Human and bodily "know". And when we use the word THEN -- to refer to those other cases -- it's ***THEN*** that we MIS-SPEAK. At THOSE times, Siska. OK, experiment complete. Sound the all-Clear. --Joe > siska_cen@... wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > I'm not comfortable with the term "know", as perhaps it implies > identification, judgement, reference to memory, or else how do you "know" > something? > > But I'm sure you (and Mike) did not mean "know" in this sense. > > Siska > > Siska, > > Howdy. > > You'll know the temperature of the water yourself when you drink it. > > (so goes the wise old observation, you know). > > --Joe
