Bill and Joe,

Yes, but your parents are supposed to teach you how to think rationally, not 
teach you Zen.

Apparently the've failed on both accounts?
:-)

Edgar



On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Joe wrote:

> Bill!,
> 
> Well observed.
> 
> Those who undervalue the benefits we derive from being taught by parents and 
> teachers and by Culture reminds me of the efforts by some who engage in 
> electioneering. They sometimes try to enhance to an extreme their semblance 
> of independence and self-reliance.
> 
> A funny instance of this came up during a discussion in the midst of the 
> selection of candidates during the recent Presidential campaign in USA. One 
> commentator observed that a certain candidate seemed to want people to 
> believe that:
> 
> "...he himself had built the log cabin that he was born in".
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Having a good laugh again today, recalling this, in the present discussion 
> about Zen teaching and teachers.
> 
> --Joe
> 
> > "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
> >
> > Edgar,
> > 
> > You asked, "Did you need a teacher to start breathing when you were born?"
> > 
> > I may have done that spontaneously but I may have needed a slap on my butt 
> > to start that process. I don't remember.
> 
> 

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