group..some parents and teachers too are bad news... merle
  
Bill and Joe,

Yes, but your parents are supposed to teach you how to think rationally, not 
teach you Zen.

Apparently the've failed on both accounts?
:-)

Edgar




On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Joe wrote:

  
>Bill!,
>
>Well observed.
>
>Those who undervalue the benefits we derive from being taught by parents and 
>teachers and by Culture reminds me of the efforts by some who engage in 
>electioneering.  They sometimes try to enhance to an extreme their semblance 
>of independence and self-reliance.
>
>A funny instance of this came up during a discussion in the midst of the 
>selection of candidates during the recent Presidential campaign in USA.  One 
>commentator observed that a certain candidate seemed to want people to believe 
>that:
>
>"...he himself had built the log cabin that he was born in".
>
>;-)
>
>Having a good laugh again today, recalling this, in the present discussion 
>about Zen teaching and teachers.
>
>--Joe
>
>> "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>>
>> Edgar,
>> 
>> You asked, "Did you need a teacher to start breathing when you were born?"
>> 
>> I may have done that spontaneously but I may have needed a slap on my butt 
>> to start that process.  I don't remember.
>
>

 

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