Edgar,
Your train of thought amazes me sometimes.
I don't clutter up my mind with god because even if I think about god, like
when someone asks a question or makes a statement about him/her, I'm not
attached to the thought.
It's attachments that stick around and cause the clutter, not the thoughts.
The thoughts come and go.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Positive in the sense of actual as opposed to illusory....
>
> By defining God as a delusion (the way the religions do) you clutter your
> mind with one more very BIG delusion.
>
> If you simply define God as the universe whose nature is Buddha Nature you
> clear and clean your mind..
>
> That's why.
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Jun 16, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Bill! wrote:
>
> > Edgar,
> >
> > Because God is a delusion and not a reality.
> >
> > I could go with the 'religious' modifier of delusion, but WTF is a
> > 'positive' reality? I mean reality is reality. There's no positive or
> > negative about it. It's just reality.
> >
> > ...Bill!
> >
> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Why not define God as a positive reality rather than a religious delusion?
> > >
> > > Edgar
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 16, 2013, at 7:11 AM, Bill! wrote:
> > >
> > > > Edgar,
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I see that you define them as the same thing. That's fine. I don't
> > > > however. I assume that's fine too...
> > > >
> > > > ...Bill!
> > > >
> > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill,
> > > > >
> > > > > In your mind maybe but I just define them as the same thing....
> > > > >
> > > > > Edgar
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:09 AM, Bill! wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Edgar, Joe and Merle,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually I don't think God and Buddha Nature have much in common at
> > > > > > all. One is an illusion and the other is an experience.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Edgar,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Almost!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe you mean substitute Buddha Nature for God.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can still go wrong if a Zen teacher does not confirm that
> > > > > > > your awakening is of the Zen kind, and corrects or extends your
> > > > > > > course.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A practitioner could otherwise sail to and stop at the wrong
> > > > > > > place entirely, and be forever (self-) misled. It happens!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some end up at desert islands. These destinations are called
> > > > > > > "Outer Paths". Some of them are religions, and involve gods.
> > > > > > > Buddhadharma does not involve gods. And Zen Buddhism does not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But, you and others might say:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Ah: but you drink the water and know for yourself whether it is
> > > > > > > warm or cold!"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But that TOO was a Zen teacher who taught that ...and to just ONE
> > > > > > > student. Too bad it's quoted out of context so much and folks
> > > > > > > imaginatively believe it applies to them, as strangers who never
> > > > > > > met the teacher!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Ours is a special transmission of Mind outside the scriptures,
> > > > > > > not dependent on words and letters":
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...it was another Zen teacher said this!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --Joe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just substitute God for Buddha Nature and you won't go wrong..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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