Merle,
My intellect judged them to be beautiful. That judgement was probably
something I learned to mimic from hearing other people describe things as
beautiful.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Â
> Â bill..how do you know they were beautiful? clarification please..merle
>
> I have indeed perceived many beautiful sunsets.
>
> But have also experienced Just THIS!
>
> ...Bill!
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > ÃÂ
> > ÃÂ bill..is that so?...is that what you have realised or have been told to
> > believe think and feel?.. have you never seen a beautiful sunset ?...merle
> >
> >
> > ÃÂ
> > Merle,
> >
> > Math is judged to be beautiful because it is logical. Yes.
> >
> > Logic is judged to be beautiful because it deceives us into thinking we
> > understand the truth.
> >
> > Truth is not beautiful or not-beautiful. Truth just is.
> >
> > All judgments come from your delusive intellect and self. If you are
> > looking for 'realization' [Buddha Nature?] then you'll have to let go your
> > attachments to such things as self, intellect, truth and beauty.
> >
> > ...Bill!
> >
> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > mathematics is beautiful because it is logical
> > >
> > > Ãâàlogic is beautiful because it is so pointing to the truth
> > >
> > > truth is so beautiful because it points and parts the way for realisation
> > > to take place ..
> > >
> > > merle
> > >
> > > ÃâÃÂ
> > > Edgar,
> > >
> > > Reality is not bound by logic. I'd buy your statement if you said 'math
> > > words because it accurately models our logically-based perception of
> > > reality', but I suppose that wouldn't work for you.
> > >
> > > ...Bill!
> > >
> > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill,
> > > >
> > > > No, no, no. Human math works because it DOES accurately model the
> > > > actual logic of reality.
> > > >
> > > > Edgar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Bill! wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Chris,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mathematics doesn't reveal reality. Mathematics only mirrors the
> > > > > human intellect.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The thing I like about math as a source of analogies for zen is
> > > > > > that it
> > > > > > shows how two different things csn br exactly the same.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Linear equations over reals are lines. Lines are linear equations.
> > > > > > Numbers, points, the constituents drop away as the eternal unity is
> > > > > > seen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > --Chris
> > > > > > 301-270-6524
> > > > > > On Jul 3, 2013 8:12 AM, <pandabananasock@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill!:
> > > > > > > You're gonna ignore the math? I thought you said you were looking
> > > > > > > for an
> > > > > > > impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The thing about using math that way is that eventually it leads
> > > > > > > you back
> > > > > > > to the beginning. We use mathematics as an expression of the
> > > > > > > model, then
> > > > > > > we use the model as an expression of the math. Then we realize
> > > > > > > that both
> > > > > > > are models of each other and the same, and experience encompasses
> > > > > > > all -- no
> > > > > > > need for anything else. Rivers and mountains become rivers and
> > > > > > > mountains
> > > > > > > again!
> > > > > > > ~PeeBeeEss
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of
> > > > > > > Cause-and-Effect and
> > > > > > > Karma
> > > > > > > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three
> > > > > > > Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'll ignore all the math but do agree that JUST IF there is
> > > > > > > such a think that could be called 'karma' it's not so much a
> > > > > > > moralistic cause-and-effect as it is an intrinsic quality of
> > > > > > > the act itself.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But, I'll continue to poo-poo all claims of karma.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > pandabananasock@ wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Most people think of "1+1=2" as procedural, that is,
> > > > > > > that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes
> > > > > > > 2. They would regard "2=1+1" and "2=2" to be different
> > > > > > > equations, but they are not in the least bit
> > > > > > > different. The equal-sign is the present.
> > > > > > > > "1+1" is already 2! And the effect IS the
> > > > > > > cause. Your karmic punishment for doing something
> > > > > > > "bad" is you doing that "bad" thing. Your karmic
> > > > > > > reward for doing something "good" is you doing that "good"
> > > > > > > thing. Forget the come-back-to-bite-you BS!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:58 AM EDT Bill! wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >...Bill!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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