On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Apps, John <john.a...@hp.com> wrote: > Hmm. Not sure if this has anything to do with multi-core, SOA or enterprises. > Is it not more to do with the lack of courage to break new ground, try new > things, leave the past behind - we have been doing it this way for 50 years, > why change now? > > A perhaps strange analogy is Erlang: it has been around for a long time, but > only now is it beginning to take off. 0MQ has not been around for as long, > but it serves a similar purpose in providing message-based computing. I > highly recommend these two videos with Joe Armstrong as he makes the point > much better than I: > > http://mailer.infoq.com/link.php?M=6193031&N=1063&L=10064&F=H (Message > passing concurrency in Erlang) > > http://www.oredev.org/videos/erlang--the-language-and-its-applications > (Erlang - the language and its applications) > > Another, even stranger, analogy is that of Tandem and what Jim Gray wrote > over 30 years ago about isolation, message passing, defensive programming, > etc. It has taken that long for these ideas -whether in hardware or software > or both is irrelevant- to become accepted and take off. > > Many developers are stuck in their ways, universities do not seem to be > teaching new thoughts, and so we continue to fight with shared data > structures, threads, defensive programming, and so forth; and OO does not > help much here either! > > -- john.a...@hp.com | +491718691813 | http://twitter.com/johnapps -- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: zeromq-dev-boun...@lists.zeromq.org > [mailto:zeromq-dev-boun...@lists.zeromq.org] On Behalf Of Martin Sustrik > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 7:07 > To: 0MQ development list > Subject: Re: [zeromq-dev] ooc bindings for ØMQ > > Pieter Hintjens wrote: > >> Yes, and it's amazing no-one already made it. The best explanation I >> can find for that is that the problems 0MQ solves (like where to do >> queueing, how to implement patterns, etc.) are really hard to solve >> properly and messaging designers invariably seem to need a broker to >> focus their thought processes. There have been p2p messaging libraries >> before but too complex (e.g. brokerless JMS). And most messaging >> products fight to add functionality, no-one ever fought to remove >> it... > > Before, multicore and cloud (aka SOA) was available only in enterprise. > Enterprise in notoriously incapable of providing simple solutions. > > Now that multicores and clouds are available to everyone, some kind of simple > solution was bound to emerge. > > Martin > _______________________________________________ > zeromq-dev mailing list > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org > http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev > _______________________________________________ > zeromq-dev mailing list > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org > http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev >
John I agree, and along the same accord I'd like to mention J. Paul Morrison [1] and Flow Based Programming [2]. As far as I'm concerned 0mq make FBP readily viable to the masses and may greatly enhance his this programming philosophy. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Morrison [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow-based_programming _______________________________________________ zeromq-dev mailing list zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev
