True, it is often quite subtle how the simple solutions emerge, and
sometimes they just don't.

What can help is to build higher level APIs - I've done this a lot in
CZMQ and FileMQ and similar projects to create abstractions that work
as I'd like, hiding the complexity.



On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Artem Vysochyn
<artem.vysoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No problem et al.   In general, I really love ZMQ, it teaches me always
> think towards finding most simple-and-effective solutions. But it's always
> "it depends"  on what ppl mean under "clumsy way".
>
> And when I originally wrote a code which has been sending correlation_id
> along inside message, after couple of weeks I reverted this, because this
> seemed to me so weird and ugly, and I had been inlighted like "hey! just
> create and destroy inproc sockets! they are cheap, they aren't tcp ones, so
> u are safe."   But then I stucked with FD limit issue even for inproc, and
> got completely stucked.
>
>
> Well, now, after your clarification, I see how it should be.
>
>
>
>
> 2013/9/20 Pieter Hintjens <p...@imatix.com>
>>
>> Sorry if I sound like I'm just telling you to RTFM, but this is a
>> common symptom when starting to learn 0MQ, trying to solve problems in
>> a clumsy way when there's a simpler way that you see when you've
>> internalized the way things work. There seems to be no alternative
>> except to work through it.
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