---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Citation Brian (http://lists.zeromq.org/pipermail/zeromq-dev/2014-October/027554.html) "We do not merge everything and then fix it if it is broken. Your statement is empirically false."
Citation Pieter (https://github.com/zeromq/czmq/pull/673): "I treat a pull request as a request to merge. I blindly merge everything, and fix up afterwards (or complain if that feels too painful) :-)" Hmm, which one is right now??? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are the facts concerning my statement. 1) We have a continuous integration system in place (travis-ci). 2) All pull requests to CZMQ are run through travis-ci against multiple versions of libzmq: https://github.com/zeromq/czmq/blob/master/.travis.yml 3) When pull requests break the build on travis-ci, discussion takes place and in general the requests are not merged until they are fixed. These discussions are easy to find. 4) Nowhere in Pieter's statement does he say he merges broken code. Brian On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 7:29 AM, <r...@q-leap.de> wrote: > >>>>> "Pieter" == Pieter Hintjens <p...@imatix.com> writes: > > Hi Pieter, > > apart from a mini contribution (CVE assignment) my role in this project > is only that of a user, but I don't think that should matter too much for > the purpose of this discussion. > > In my opinion Goswin (who is working on ZMQ for a project here at > Q-Leap) has been bashed enough now and I certainly don't want to negate > the justification for the blame concerning some of his comments. But > this discussion was extremely one-sided. I believe your behavior in this > dissent had a lot of room for improvement as well. > > Pieter> Sorry... this is the last thread: > Pieter> https://github.com/zeromq/czmq/pull/733 > > Pieter> Related older threads from CZMQ: > > Pieter> - https://github.com/zeromq/czmq/pull/725 > > Can't see any reason for a red card here. > > Pieter> - https://github.com/zeromq/czmq/pull/673 > > Neither here. > > Let's cite some facts: > ====================================================================== > Citation Pieter (https://github.com/zeromq/czmq/pull/733): > "Making mistakes and doing broken things is part of our work. We deal > with that politely, and nicely." > > Citation Pieter (https://github.com/zeromq/czmq/pull/673): > "What are we supposed to do with that? I don't even want to read the > code, it looks like vomit. ... Can you please remove all the crap" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Judge yourself. Your two statements sound like a contradiction to > me. And it wasn't that Goswin started with this tone in 673. Would you > have tolerated this from Goswin? If not, why do you tolerate it from > yourself? Bringing in such a tone begs for aggressive answers ... > > ====================================================================== > > Citation Pieter > (http://lists.zeromq.org/pipermail/zeromq-dev/2014-October/027559.html ) > "You have not accepted any criticism at all. You show no regret, or > apology." > > After a heated discussion in https://github.com/zeromq/czmq/pull/698, > Goswin clearly shows his intent to play with the rules (last two > comments). > > ====================================================================== > > Citation Brian > (http://lists.zeromq.org/pipermail/zeromq-dev/2014-October/027554.html) > "We do not merge everything and then fix it if it is broken. Your statement > is empirically false." > > Citation Pieter (https://github.com/zeromq/czmq/pull/673): > "I treat a pull request as a request to merge. I blindly merge everything, > and fix up afterwards (or complain if that feels too painful) :-)" > > Hmm, which one is right now??? > > ====================================================================== > > Final comments: > --------------- > > Important rules for anyone to claim leadership: Obey the rules you set > yourself. And be open for criticism (yes, it sometimes hurts). > > I think this episode and the whole discussion was not something, that this > project can be proud of. You can just continue like you did, or start > thinking about the mistakes, you made just like others should think about > theirs to avoid them in the future. In my opinion, the latter would be > highly > beneficial for the actors credibility, authority and respect ... and the > project ... > > It was my idea to contribute the stuff we're doing in the project at > Q-Leap back to the community. But this obviously didn't work out. So be > it. To be honest, now I don't really care anymore. For others being > interested in the code we develop: We'll probably keep our repo > available and updated at GitHub. Please note, this is not supposed to be > a fork or anything abusive :) Take the code (if so with a copyright > assignment) or leave it. > > If you still want me to do the CVE assignment for the project, that's > fine. I'll continue doing it. Otherwise let me know. > > Best, > > Roland > > ------- > http://www.q-leap.com / http://qlustar.com > --- HPC / Storage / Cloud Linux Cluster OS --- > > Pieter> Also at least one long and confused thread on this group. > > Pieter> -Pieter > > Pieter> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:15 PM, <r...@q-leap.de> wrote: > >>>>>>> "PH" == Pieter Hintjens <p...@imatix.com> writes: > >> > >> Hi Pieter, > >> > PH> I'd like to get feedback on a thread[1] regarding what I > PH> consider to be unacceptable behavior from a CZMQ contributor. > >> > >> you forgot to add the reference ([1]) to this thread. Could you > >> please send it as well? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Roland > >> > >> ------- http://www.q-leap.com / http://qlustar.com > >> --- HPC / Storage / Cloud Linux Cluster OS --- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ zeromq-dev > >> mailing list zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org > >> http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev > _______________________________________________ > zeromq-dev mailing list > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org > http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev >
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