Hi David [...] > Hi Roger. This is really interesting. It would be good to see > a very small demo of these nice packages you have been > contributing - something > that would put together the minimal layer, menu package, > and a few basic viewlets just to give folks a basic idea of > what can be acheived 'minimally'. Also a clearer > understanding of where to use trusted over the basic layer. I > would seem that this is the road to some very dynamic > skinning flexibility.
That whould be nice, but right now I don't have time for doing such a *how to* sample. Let me know if somebody likes to doing this. Perhaps I can help a little bit. > The one thing perhaps missing from this is a mechanism for > storing and manipulating viewlets and selecting a template on > a container. Perhaps a template manager is also needed. What > I am missing from Zope2 is the simple ability to drop an > index.html or different template into a folder as a simple > way to make folder views that are based on site context. > Sites can be pretty terrible otherwise if they are not > sensitive to where you are and display the same organization > of viewlets. If viewlets/viewlet managers and a template can > be maintained as annotations on a container and the weighting > of viewlet managers manipulated through a form instead of > zcml then we'd be cooking with gas. :-) I agree on that, at least on the functionality. Stephan and I will implement a portlet like concept some time in the future. Such a concept will support to build standalone applications as viewlets with own urls and states etc. This should be enough base for all future concepts where I can think about. Regards Roger Ineichen > Regards, > David > > Roger Ineichen wrote: > > Hi Jeff > > > > [...] > >> With the ZMI, I end up asking "is this the UI I want to > >> deliver to my customer?" And the answer is rarely "yes!" I > >> feel like I have to arm wrestle a lot more to turn off and > >> hide features. I still don't really understand how the 'Add' > >> menu works. > > > > Did you see the layer package I commited to the z3c repos the > > last days? > > There is now a minimal layer which allows you to build > > very easy a own administration interface. > > > >> This isn't a criticism of the ZMI skin. It just hasn't been a > >> fit for any of our customers or applications, which makes it > >> very hard to support. Fortunately, it's fairly easy to do > >> away with. But it also feels very hard to migrate away from > >> if that's where ones initial work is. > > > > We really should use the Boston skin which offers much more > > flexibility for such customized ZMI's because of it's > > viewlet/manager concept and drop the Rotterdam skin. > > > > [...] > >> Having developed on and for Zope for nearly ten years now, I > >> can say that there is no such thing as "traditional zope > >> development" :). > >> There are a lot of ways to get things done. > > > > ;-) > > > > Regards > > Roger Ineichen > > _____________________________ > > Projekt01 GmbH > > > >> -- > >> Jeff Shell > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Zope3-users mailing list > >> Zope3-users@zope.org > >> http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users > >> > > > _______________________________________________ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users