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Hasan, Susan has told the gentleman that he is no longer welcome here. He is
however not a person to worry about whether he is welcome somewhere. His
concern is not to discuss so much as it is his craving to demonstrate how many
wikipedia sites he has visited and how many factoids he has memorized. How does
that quote go? "Leave them to amuse themselves with their vain discourse."
Susan has also asked the rest of us to stop replying to his posts.
Peace,
Gary
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From: Hasan Elías <hasanel...@yahoo.com>
To: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu>
Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:40 pm
Subject: Re: Against nature...
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Stephen,
The name of this list is "Bahá'í Studies". It seems that you do not realize
where you are.
The Bahá'í Faith has good presence in the Web, bahá'ís reside in almost every
country, so I guess one seeker would have the Bahá'í Faith as one of the first
choices to investigate.
The cold mind is not enough to perceive the Sun of Revelation, spiritual
qualities and a mind without veils is needed.
You ask:
"Why should Jews study the Baha'u'llah over all Jewish Messiah claimants?
Why should Christians study Baha'u'llah over all return of Jesus, Paraclete,
Holy Spirit, etc. claimants?
Why should Muslims study Baha'u'llah over all Mahdi claimants?
Why should Bayanis study Baha'u'llah over all Manifestation claimants?
Why should Hindus study Baha'u'llah over all Kalki claimants?
Why should Buddhists study Baha'u'llah over all Maitreya claimants?"
This is ridiculous. You have tons of information about the Bahá'í Faith. So,
how is your investigation going?
Hasan
PS You quoted Covenant-breakers sources, I wonder why the moderator did not you
brought out of here.
De: Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com>
Para: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu>
Enviado: Lunes, 29 de abril, 2013 7:25 P.M.
Asunto: Re: Against nature...
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I should explain closer and in more depth. Religions and their scriptures
predict Messiahs, Christs, Paracletes, Holy Spirits, Mahdis, Manifestations,
Avatars, Kalkis, Buddhas, Maitreyas, etc.
The Covenant requires investigations of all claimants. The Baha'i Faith
advertises it this way. Your scripture promises, insert term above here.
Baha'u'llah is a claimant to be, insert term above here. You should investigate
Baha'u'llah's claims because the Covenant requires you to. Also, you should
interpret prophecies symbolically to give leeway for claimants. The same
marketing technique can be used for all claimants and produce a yes answer to
them being who they claim to be.
Why should Jews study the Baha'u'llah over all Jewish Messiah claimants?
Why should Christians study Baha'u'llah over all return of Jesus, Paraclete,
Holy Spirit, etc. claimants?
Why should Muslims study Baha'u'llah over all Mahdi claimants?
Why should Bayanis study Baha'u'llah over all Manifestation claimants?
Why should Hindus study Baha'u'llah over all Kalki claimants?
Why should Buddhists study Baha'u'llah over all Maitreya claimants?
Side Note: Can one person be several of the above if not all? Can several
people if not all be the same things above?
Adi Dam (Adi Da Love Ananda Samraj)
Ahmadiyya Islam aka Qadianism (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad)
Baha'i Faith (Baha'u'llah)
Islam (Muhammad)
Ismaili Islam aka Ismailism (Ali through Aga Khan IV, Shia Imams)
Kalki, Mahdi, Messiah, etc. Foundation International (Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi)
Mission of Maitreya, Eternal Divine Path (Joseph Emmanuel, Ahmad ibn Abdullah)
Neo Gnosticism aka Universal Christian Gnostic Church (Samael Aun Weor)
Raëlism (Claude Vorilhon aka Raël)
Scientology (Lafayette Ronald Hubbard)
What do all the above have in common? Either they themselves or followers on
their behalf have claimed their Kalki status and Maitreya status. Wikipedia
links to articles about what Kalki and Maitreya prophecies they fulfill and
how. For example, one I inadvertently ran across was the Maitreya boatsman
prophecy on the bodhisattva page of Wikipedia. I have studied Scientology
since High School despite all the controversy surrounding it. I also started
studying Raëlism recently and have downloaded several e books from the Web.
Also, I mention the above because I only felt like listing the prophecies of
Indian Dharmic religions and not Abrahamic ones. I have also seen a paper on
the Baha'i Faith in India and read about debates between Ahmadis and Baha'is.
Explain why only Muhammad and Baha'u'llah mentioned above are Kalki and
Maitreya, while reffering only to Hindu and Buddhist texts.
I for one haven't combed through the Puranas and Sutras for each and every
prophecy to compare each claimant to, but have seen various pages describing
how each and every claimant above fulfills them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya
http://www.maitreya.org/
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On Apr 29, 2013, at 13:13, Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Hasan, any list of religions and spiritual traditions will show the almost
infinite number of Faiths, Communities, Revelations, etc. that exist and are
extant, not to mention extinct and reconstructed ones.
Also, in the topic on post conventional morality, the topic was more on the
variety of new religious movements and their impacts on morality in society.
Hasan, you seem to hold that religions and spiritual traditions are all
intrinsically higher than philosophies and thoughts. I have no opinion on the
matter, but am familiar with various religions like Raëlism, Scientology, Neo
Gnosticism, Adi Dam, Ahmadiyya aka Qadianism, Happy Science aka Kofuku no
Kagaku, Sahaja Yoga, Rastafarianism, etc. I'm not that interested in them, but
I know about them is the point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_new_religious_movements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_religious_movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Neopagan_movements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism_(contemporary)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFO_religions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buddha_claimants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_avatar_claimants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messiah_claimants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mahdi_claimants
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On Apr 27, 2013, at 15:32, Hasan Elías <hasanel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Hi,
I read few messages of Stephen Gray, I think he trusts so much on philosophers
and thinkers. I think Kohlberg and others are nothing and just vanishes when
compared to Bahá'u'lláh's Revelation.
The Guardian wrote:
"Firmness in the Covenant is their Fortress, their greatest protection, and new
Bahá'ís should be taught this before they are admitted into the Community. In
this way they will be given the spiritual strenght to overcome the tests which
are inevitable, and which strenghten the growth of the Community and drive its
roots deeper in the soil of faith".
Best,
Hasan
De: Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com>
Para: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu>
Enviado: Miércoles, 24 de abril, 2013 8:10 P.
Asunto: Re: Against nature...
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Don C, read Eight Ways to Run the Country by Brian Patrick Mitchell. From, this
you sound like a populist which means nothing other than you side with people,
but is meaningless ideology wise.
You rejection of progressivism and its ideals, tell me you aren't anti archy
and aren't pro kratos. This excludes you from being other anti archy ideologies
like radicalism and indivudalism. This also excludes you from being other pro
kratos ideologies like communitarianism and neoconservatism. What's left?
Paleolibertarianism? Paleoconservatism? Theoconservatism? Populism?
Read the book and review what you think of each and every chapter!
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On Apr 22, 2013, at 14:21, Don Calkins <don59...@gmail.com> wrote:
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i consider myself an independent centrist. I don't fit neatly into any
category. I am generally moderate, but have no compunction about adapting
workable ideas from a variety of perspectives. What is most important, as
Baha'u'llah has indicated, are the principles.
"Think not that I have revealed a mere code of laws . . . . ."
Don C
On Apr 20, 2013, at 5:20 09PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote:
Don, which one of the eight ways are you? I'm Individualist, anti both ie archy
and kratos. You are pro archy, anti kratos or Paleoconservative.
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