The Baha'i Studies Listserv Actually, all Baha'i denominations and sects call themselves Baha'i and call each other covenant breakers, so it's really splitting hairs for any group to claim to have a Baha'i Studies list, but exclude all other groups. This is technically a list of the Baha'i Faith rather than one sect or denomination out of seven. It would be absurd to have Catholic refer to a Catholic Studies list as a Christian Studies list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_divisions http://www.sectsofbahais.com/ Sent from my iPad On Apr 30, 2013, at 17:39, Hasan Elías <hasanel...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Stephen, > > The name of this list is "Bahá'í Studies". It seems that you do not realize > where you are. > > The Bahá'í Faith has good presence in the Web, bahá'ís reside in almost every > country, so I guess one seeker would have the Bahá'í Faith as one of the > first choices to investigate. > > The cold mind is not enough to perceive the Sun of Revelation, spiritual > qualities and a mind without veils is needed. > > You ask: > > "Why should Jews study the Baha'u'llah over all Jewish Messiah claimants? > Why should Christians study Baha'u'llah over all return of Jesus, Paraclete, > Holy Spirit, etc. claimants? > Why should Muslims study Baha'u'llah over all Mahdi claimants? > Why should Bayanis study Baha'u'llah over all Manifestation claimants? > Why should Hindus study Baha'u'llah over all Kalki claimants? > Why should Buddhists study Baha'u'llah over all Maitreya claimants?" > > This is ridiculous. You have tons of information about the Bahá'í Faith. So, > how is your investigation going? > > Hasan > > PS You quoted Covenant-breakers sources, I wonder why the moderator did not > you brought out of here. > > > De: Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> > Para: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> > Enviado: Lunes, 29 de abril, 2013 7:25 P.M. > Asunto: Re: Against nature... > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > I should explain closer and in more depth. Religions and their scriptures > predict Messiahs, Christs, Paracletes, Holy Spirits, Mahdis, Manifestations, > Avatars, Kalkis, Buddhas, Maitreyas, etc. > > The Covenant requires investigations of all claimants. The Baha'i Faith > advertises it this way. Your scripture promises, insert term above here. > Baha'u'llah is a claimant to be, insert term above here. You should > investigate Baha'u'llah's claims because the Covenant requires you to. Also, > you should interpret prophecies symbolically to give leeway for claimants. > The same marketing technique can be used for all claimants and produce a yes > answer to them being who they claim to be. > > Why should Jews study the Baha'u'llah over all Jewish Messiah claimants? > Why should Christians study Baha'u'llah over all return of Jesus, Paraclete, > Holy Spirit, etc. claimants? > Why should Muslims study Baha'u'llah over all Mahdi claimants? > Why should Bayanis study Baha'u'llah over all Manifestation claimants? > Why should Hindus study Baha'u'llah over all Kalki claimants? > Why should Buddhists study Baha'u'llah over all Maitreya claimants? > > Side Note: Can one person be several of the above if not all? Can several > people if not all be the same things above? > > Adi Dam (Adi Da Love Ananda Samraj) > Ahmadiyya Islam aka Qadianism (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) > Baha'i Faith (Baha'u'llah) > Islam (Muhammad) > Ismaili Islam aka Ismailism (Ali through Aga Khan IV, Shia Imams) > Kalki, Mahdi, Messiah, etc. Foundation International (Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi) > Mission of Maitreya, Eternal Divine Path (Joseph Emmanuel, Ahmad ibn Abdullah) > Neo Gnosticism aka Universal Christian Gnostic Church (Samael Aun Weor) > Raëlism (Claude Vorilhon aka Raël) > Scientology (Lafayette Ronald Hubbard) > > What do all the above have in common? Either they themselves or followers on > their behalf have claimed their Kalki status and Maitreya status. Wikipedia > links to articles about what Kalki and Maitreya prophecies they fulfill and > how. For example, one I inadvertently ran across was the Maitreya boatsman > prophecy on the bodhisattva page of Wikipedia. I have studied Scientology > since High School despite all the controversy surrounding it. I also started > studying Raëlism recently and have downloaded several e books from the Web. > Also, I mention the above because I only felt like listing the prophecies of > Indian Dharmic religions and not Abrahamic ones. I have also seen a paper on > the Baha'i Faith in India and read about debates between Ahmadis and Baha'is. > Explain why only Muhammad and Baha'u'llah mentioned above are Kalki and > Maitreya, while reffering only to Hindu and Buddhist texts. > > I for one haven't combed through the Puranas and Sutras for each and every > prophecy to compare each claimant to, but have seen various pages describing > how each and every claimant above fulfills them. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya > http://www.maitreya.org/ > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 13:13, Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> Hasan, any list of religions and spiritual traditions will show the almost >> infinite number of Faiths, Communities, Revelations, etc. that exist and are >> extant, not to mention extinct and reconstructed ones. >> >> Also, in the topic on post conventional morality, the topic was more on the >> variety of new religious movements and their impacts on morality in society. >> >> Hasan, you seem to hold that religions and spiritual traditions are all >> intrinsically higher than philosophies and thoughts. I have no opinion on >> the matter, but am familiar with various religions like Raëlism, >> Scientology, Neo Gnosticism, Adi Dam, Ahmadiyya aka Qadianism, Happy Science >> aka Kofuku no Kagaku, Sahaja Yoga, Rastafarianism, etc. I'm not that >> interested in them, but I know about them is the point. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_new_religious_movements >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_religious_movement >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Neopagan_movements >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism_(contemporary) >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFO_religions >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_religion >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buddha_claimants >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_avatar_claimants >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messiah_claimants >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mahdi_claimants >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 27, 2013, at 15:32, Hasan Elías <hasanel...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >>> Hi, >>> >>> I read few messages of Stephen Gray, I think he trusts so much on >>> philosophers and thinkers. I think Kohlberg and others are nothing and just >>> vanishes when compared to Bahá'u'lláh's Revelation. >>> >>> The Guardian wrote: >>> "Firmness in the Covenant is their Fortress, their greatest protection, and >>> new Bahá'ís should be taught this before they are admitted into the >>> Community. In this way they will be given the spiritual strenght to >>> overcome the tests which are inevitable, and which strenghten the growth of >>> the Community and drive its roots deeper in the soil of faith". >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Hasan >>> De: Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> >>> Para: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> >>> Enviado: Miércoles, 24 de abril, 2013 8:10 P. >>> Asunto: Re: Against nature... >>> >>> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >>> Don C, read Eight Ways to Run the Country by Brian Patrick Mitchell. From, >>> this you sound like a populist which means nothing other than you side with >>> people, but is meaningless ideology wise. >>> >>> You rejection of progressivism and its ideals, tell me you aren't anti >>> archy and aren't pro kratos. This excludes you from being other anti archy >>> ideologies like radicalism and indivudalism. This also excludes you from >>> being other pro kratos ideologies like communitarianism and >>> neoconservatism. What's left? Paleolibertarianism? Paleoconservatism? >>> Theoconservatism? Populism? >>> >>> Read the book and review what you think of each and every chapter! >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2013, at 14:21, Don Calkins <don59...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >>>> i consider myself an independent centrist. I don't fit neatly into any >>>> category. I am generally moderate, but have no compunction about adapting >>>> workable ideas from a variety of perspectives. What is most important, as >>>> Baha'u'llah has indicated, are the principles. >>>> >>>> "Think not that I have revealed a mere code of laws . . . . ." >>>> >>>> Don C >>>> >>>> On Apr 20, 2013, at 5:20 09PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: >>>> >>>>> Don, which one of the eight ways are you? I'm Individualist, anti both ie >>>>> archy and kratos. You are pro archy, anti kratos or Paleoconservative. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------ >>>> He who believes himself spiritual proves he is not. > > __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-700215-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
