What I am looking for is an example of behavior that is permitted by the
current code of conduct but that could be prohibited by a practical,
enforceable set of rules.
On 11/15/2016 8:28 AM, Noah Slater wrote:
What are you looking for, exactly? I'm not sure what a "use-case" is in
this context.
We have a concrete example of what not to do in this very thread already. I
was contacted off-list by Niclas making it clear he expected me to provide
proof that would "convince" him that I wasn't trying to "breed" a "a
cry-baby and victimhood culture".
Is this really the sort of thing we want to tolerate when a member of
community mentions that they've had bad experiences before. Is this sort of
thing the "inclusivity" and "welcoming-ness" we aim for?
As it happens, I wasn't bringing up my bad experiences to make any concrete
point about what we should or should not do re policy, only to refute
Niclas's nonsense idea that "safety" is not a word we should be using.
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 at 16:58 Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> wrote:
On 11/15/2016 6:48 AM, Noah Slater wrote:
...
You want some sort of "record" to consume. Is a person, on a mailing
list,
saying "hey this place was so bad for me I had to take a break" not
evidence enough for you that something might be wrong?
As for the rest of it, this org keeps records of every email sent to the
lists. It would not be hard for you to go looking for context if you
wanted
it.
Asking me to go over all that stuff again (which I find upsetting to even
think about) days after returning here hoping things would be nicer for
me,
is, well, ... it's not particularly considerate.
...
I don't think asking you to go over something you found upsetting is
necessary. On the other hand, I have started looking at the mail
archives for your 2015 participation, and I don't think I have found the
right context, or if I have I am not recognizing it.
Could you perhaps save some time by giving a pointer in terms of e.g. a
mailing list and topic?
Or, if you prefer we not discuss your particular situation, could you
give a pointer to any use-case, in terms of mailing list and topic?
This very discussion is an illustration of why "feeling" based standards
are a problem. Some people are not comfortable setting policies without
solid use-cases they can discuss and analyze. Others may not be
comfortable with discussion and analysis of those use-cases. How does
one accommodate both sets of feelings?
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