On 11/15/16, 9:03 AM, "Patricia Shanahan" <p...@acm.org> wrote:
>That should be "example of undesirable behavior". One could obviously >write a rule that prohibits using words with more than three syllables >in e-mails. Personally, I don't think "rules", "standards" and "policies" are in play here. The CoC describes what is truly out-of-bounds, but I generally agree with Noah that there is a lot of stuff that is in-bounds that still makes participating at Apache an uncomfortable and/or unhappy experience. But I can't imagine ever achieving consensus on codifying what that is. I don't think most cultures ever do codify such a thing. I haven't seen a set of rules for the US or Japan. I think cultures socially encourage and discourage certain behavior to reach a certain result. I would like to welcome Noah back, and am saddened that some of these emails could easily be seen as unwelcoming by many people, including myself. Apache mailing lists often feel like one of those bars in the rough part of town that I am too chicken to go into. Obviously, enough people frequent those bars to keep them in business so they aren't violating any rules. I just wish Apache mailing lists were more like family-friendly restaurants. If an 11-year-old hot-shot coder wanted to participate in an ASF project, I would feel compelled to warn them and his/her parents that the tone on many mailing lists is not family-friendly. I wish I didn't feel that way. I don't understand why it has to be this way. -Alex
