On 10/22/20 6:53 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 8:27 AM Aleksandra Fedorova <al...@bookwar.info> 
> wrote:
>> Hi, all,
>>
>> this is the informational message, no action required.
>>
>> Upon agreement between gcc maintainers and ELN SIG we would like to
>> switch ELN buildroot to use GCC11 ahead of Fedora Rawhide.
>>
>> Though ELN is defined as the buildroot where Fedora Rawhide code is
>> rebuilt into EL-like environment, in the ELN proposal we also
>> mentioned that ELN can be used to test certain buildroot-related
>> features on the side so it doesn't block Fedora Rawhide development.
>>
>> We think that GCC11 is one such feature, where we can benefit from
>> testing it first on a small subset of the Fedora content in a separate
>> environment.
>>
>> We would like to invite everyone to join this effort.
>>
>> The work is currently tracked on Github:
>> https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/8
>>
>> Once GCC11 is merged to the eln tag in koji, one would be able to use
>> it via, for example, mock or container environment:
>> quay.io/fedoraci/fedora:eln-x86_64
>>
>> For more info on ELN please refer to ELN Docs (as soon as I update
>> them, which hopefully happens later today):
>>
>> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/eln/
>>
> Why are you not just doing this in Rawhide? I feel like we've been
> screwed now because the whole point was that ELN branches weren't
> going to exist, and now we have one in the most important package!

From a timing standpoint we're trying to get ELN up and running with
gcc-11 right now.  The earliest Jakub was comfortable dropping gcc-11
snapshots into rawhide was after stage1 development closes for upstream
gcc (mid-Nov) and even that probably needs to be discussed with FESCO
and the wider Fedora dev community as it is potentially disrupting
(regardless of how much testing and fixing I've already done in rawhide
in preparation for gcc-11).  Delaying gcc-11 into ELN would throw
everything downstream of that off from a scheduling standpoint.


But I very much agree that GCC should be moving into rawhide earlier
than has been done in the past.  In an ideal world it would have gone in
just after F33 branched and updated regularly.

Jeff
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