Hi Emily, I appreciate your good intentions and your desire to point out the ways in which many different kinds people are harmed and oppressed. Just so you know, when you do it in the context of people talking about ways that women are specifically harmed and oppressed in the context of Wikimedia projects, it comes across as derailing:
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Derailment That is, as a result of comments like these, we end up having a discussion about something other than women's participation in Wikimedia projects. When this happens frequently, people end up feeling discouraged from bringing up topics like "There is a lot of misogyny in these comments, is there anything we can do about it?" because they know they are likely to get a response of, "Men/people of color/other oppressed groups have this happen to them too." I know it is not your intention to shut down discussion about women in Wikimedia projects, but that's often the effect of comments like these. -VAL On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Emily Monroe <emilymonro...@gmail.com> wrote: > Actually, I think that's true for all minorities--I know the comment section > in the online edition of one of my local newspapers can turn pretty ugly if > an article is written about a black guy getting arrested. That's less likely > to happen if the suspect is white. > > From, > Emily > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Valerie Aurora <vale...@adainitiative.org> > wrote: >> >> Abusive comments are a gender thing. Stories about or by women are >> more likely to get abusive comments, in public and private, based >> solely on the gender of the subject or the author. >> >> -VAL >> >> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Emily Monroe <emilymonro...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > I doubt that the comments issue is even a gender thing. Comment sections >> > are >> > pretty non-discriminatory in regards to starting up drama. >> > >> > From, >> > Emily >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stie...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Never read the comments. Never . >> >> >> >> On Jul 8, 2014 6:50 PM, "Keilana" <keilanaw...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> If only, Tom. I would be shocked if that ever got removed. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Tom Morris <t...@tommorris.org> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> That’s really cool. >> >>>> >> >>>> (Just don’t read the comments. Awful misogyny contained therein. Is >> >>>> there any way we can get that crap removed?) >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Tom Morris >> >>>> <http://tommorris.org/> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original message ----- >> >>>> From: Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> >> >>>> To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects >> >>>> <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> >> >>>> Subject: [Gendergap] Adrienne Wadewitz featured in short piece about >> >>>> Gendergap on the English Wikipedia >> >>>> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 12:54:55 +0200 >> >>>> >> >>>> In case you missed it, the Signpost this week gives a link to this: >> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP8QCG7keQw >> >>>> _________________________________________________ >> >>>> Gendergap mailing list >> >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Gendergap mailing list >> >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Gendergap mailing list >> >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Gendergap mailing list >> >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Gendergap mailing list >> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Valerie Aurora >> Executive Director >> >> You can help increase the participation of women in open technology and >> culture! >> Donate today at http://adainitiative.org/donate/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > -- Valerie Aurora Executive Director You can help increase the participation of women in open technology and culture! Donate today at http://adainitiative.org/donate/ _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
