Thanks Willem for organizing, thanks Yu to join and have this open discussion.
We have made a consensus that both projects developing separately, and seek the opportunity to collaborate in future. So +1 from my side. Back to the merging or separation discussion, I think both ways have pros and cons, and currently we cannot clearly see which way is more good than harm. So I think we could leave the user, community and time to decide. If someday in the future, we think that the two projects should be merged for any reason, and we can clearly see the advantages, we will definitely do this. Regard to the current challenges, I think it is existed and cannot be neglected from many areas (legal, architecture, codebase, time efforts), and will potentially make the cost too high to afford. So without seeing the clear advantages, I would incline to be conservative. Thanks all for your kind suggestions and open discussion. Best regards, Jerry Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2022年5月19日周四 11:28写道： > Hi， > > We just had a quick meeting to talk about the possibility of the joint > effort today. > > Jerry ,Yu and I expressed the pros and cons about merging the project > together, we also discussed the challenges (legal affairs, design and > codebase decision making) of merging these two projects together. As > there are a lot of things that need to be done before two teams can > work together, both sides agree to enter the ASF incubator first then > we can seek the possibility of joint efforts in the future. > > > Willem Jiang > > Twitter: willemjiang > Weibo: 姜宁willem > > On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 6:40 PM Yu Li <car...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Thanks all for the considerate comments and thanks Jerry (and Firestorm > > team) for the open mind. > > > > I totally agree that working as one project/community is a good wish > > instead of a prerequisite (and I believe no one meant this actually), > and I > > don't have any intention to block the incubating process of Firestorm. > > > > I believe that even if we cannot make it a joint force, the two projects > > could be good frenemy with competitive friendship (smile). > > > > Let's discuss more offline. :-) > > > > Best Regards, > > Yu > > > > > > On Wed, 18 May 2022 at 17:41, Jerry Shao <js...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > Yes, I think we could discuss the possibilities offline. > > > > > > But I would like to clarify that "merging these projects together" is > > > neither a "problem" (a "wish" indeed), nor a prerequisite for > incubating. > > > In the heyday of Hadoop, there were so many similar or even same > purpose > > > projects in ASF, the choice is made by user, not by ASF. > > > > > > Best > > > Jerry > > > > > > Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2022年5月18日周三 17:17写道： > > > > > > > On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:50 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Firestorm community > > > > > > > > > > Considering what Yu Li is proposing, I would recommend you could do > > > > > some discussions directly, maybe off the list if you want. > > > > > Both of the projects are young and very new to the community, it > may > > > > > be not a concern from my perspective(may be concerned by some > IPMC), > > > > > as one/both could fail in the incubating. But with you are going to > > > > > work on the similar things, the challenge would be for both of your > > > > > projects to establish the incubating process. Also, when we talk > about > > > > > graduation in the future, it would be my concern of causing > confusion > > > > > to users. > > > > > > > > > > Two TLPs are nearly the same is really not a good practice from the > > > > > foundation level. > > > > > > > > > > > We heartfully welcome you to join Firestorm project and > community. > > > > > > > > > > So, I suggest not just saying joining Firestorm, this may be a > simple > > > > > reaction, I hope you could do more. > > > > > This is an opportunity to do a bigger and more powerful project > > > > > supported by Tencent and Alibaba's initial teams. > > > > > > > > > > > > > After talking with LiYu and Jerry Shao, I realized there could be > > > > some challenges we may face. > > > > But it would be great if we can work together to tackle the same > problem. > > > > I'd like to help two teams to start a meeting to discuss the > > > > possibility of merging these projects together. > > > > > > > > Willem Jiang > > > > > > > > Twitter: willemjiang > > > > Weibo: 姜宁willem > > > > > > > > > I know it is not easy to do a joint project, but it is actually > much > > > > > better to see you two competing with each other in the next 1-2 > years. > > > > > In the ASF, we hope to create a better project for the whole > industry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > > > Jerry Shao <js...@apache.org> 于2022年5月18日周三 14:38写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Yu， > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO, I think we're open and welcome all the contributions. We > > > > heartfully > > > > > > welcome you to join Firestorm project and community. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > Yu Li <car...@gmail.com> 于2022年5月18日周三 13:36写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jerry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good to see the proposal for incubating a uniform remote > shuffle > > > > service. > > > > > > > Coincidently, we are preparing an incubating proposal for the > same > > > > > > > direction based on two open source projects Alibaba is driving > [1] > > > > [2], and > > > > > > > I'm the champion for that. Our proposal is still not fully > prepared > > > > because > > > > > > > the merge of the two projects is still in progress, and I'm > writing > > > > this > > > > > > > email to check whether it's possible that we have a joint > force to > > > > achieve > > > > > > > the same goal. I believe it will be cool if we could do this > > > > together, > > > > > > > although there will be a lot (more) work to do to make this > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know your thoughts and let's have more > discussions if > > > > you're > > > > > > > also interested. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > Yu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/flink-extended/flink-remote-shuffle > > > > > > > [2] https://github.com/alibaba/RemoteShuffleService > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
