It seems to me speaking of an Indic diminishing of a dyaus pitar as maybe jumping the gun. There are plenty of heavenly figures (tvastr and savitar are often characterized as deva/divya) but the importance of a dyaus pitar can't even really be reconstructed to the indo-Iranian level. Important father figures are the Father Asura from RV 10.124, Kuiper has some interesting thoughts on this. And of course there is a heavenly mother in Aditi, I think it's first in Breretons the Rgvedic Adityas he suggests an adj a-diti "unbound" that applied to heavenly could be reanalyzed as the femimine partner of Heaven and become a goddess in her own right. If I misremember these things please forgive, I'm on my phone bouncing my newborn currently.
It seems to me a particulary important part of Indra's character that he is not a biological father, and thus perhaps any study of the figure of a dyaus pitar might have to really re think what the family as an in situ political unit means in PIE and IIr. It's not really obvious to me that a steppe clan based family in a segmentation society should in any way have a similar concept of family and paternity as the fixed field agrarian Greek or Roman one. Sorry is not more helpful. Best, Caley On Mon, May 30, 2022, 2:27 PM Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY < indology@list.indology.info> wrote: > Thanks Hans Henrich, > > I was aware that he was not widely mentioned in RV but I hadn't thought of > the ramifications of that until your post. > > I realize this may be the wrong place to ask this, but are you aware of > any studies on the origin and fate of Dyaus/Zeus/Tiu across or within the > other Indo-European languages? > > Best, > > Dean > > On Monday, May 30, 2022, 10:21:02 PM GMT+5:30, Hock, Hans Henrich < > hhh...@illinois.edu> wrote: > > > Dear Dean, > > Even in the RigVeda *dyauṣ pitṛ *appears only six times; *dyauḥ *by > itself, of course, occurs frequently, but often in feminine gender. In > addition, there is the compound *dyāvāpṛthivī. * > > So, while *dyauṣ pitṛ* (and his relation to *pṛthivī mātṛ*) may be > important from the perspective of comparative Indo-European mythology, his > role in the Vedic tradition is highly diminished from the beginning. Other > deities (Agni, Indra, Mitra, Varuṇa, etc.) play a more important role, and > in Vedic Prose, Viṣṇu, as personification of the sacrifice, becomes more > important (as well as Rudra), and of course Prajāpati, the ‘lord of > creatures’. > > I hope this at least partly answers your query. > > All the best, > > Hans Henrich > > > > On 30 May2022, at 08:43, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY < > indology@list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear Indology List, > > Can anyone point me to any studies that discuss what happened to the Vedic > Dyaus Pater who was important in the Rig Veda but who seems to have been > supplanted in later times? > > It's particularly interesting for Indo-European studies because Dyaus is > related to the Greek Zeus and the Germanic Tyr/Tius and Dyaus Pater to the > Roman Ju-piter. > > Best, > > Dean > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY@list.indology.info > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology__;!!DZ3fjg!7kj2gkm6ov_nmpxuZH8yOeYleSLqWZUDRCrpHF3UZzpy_BiGWZ70qOTnu7rGMtxe4ufqc6WjQhUyNEjA3C67xs_e8luE$ > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY@list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >
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