@Igor - As a suggestion you might want to read some of the Gallery of Clem builds on the Rivendell Bicycle Works website for fun.
https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/customer-bikes/customer-built-clems-april-24?mc_cid=23650f4213 Kim Hetzel. On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 9:28:22 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote: > I don't have a Clem and have never done a ground-up Clem build, but I did > fix a friend's Large Clem Complete when his stock cockpit proved too flexy. > We slammed (slammed == run the stem at the lowest possible height) a > Choco-Moose, and that was a night and day improvement. I'd absolutely > start with Choco-moose again if I was doing another Clem build for myself > or anybody else. > > BL in EC > > On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 9:15:33 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote: > >> That is the stem (FW33) I ultimately chose as well. >> >> I agree the Albatross is a pretty decent bar for doing the forward >> position because it doesn't come back as far as the others but to do it >> properly you have to concede that that one of the positions won't be as >> ideal. I use the loscos and they work very well too. If you set it really >> far forward to account for the sweep back then the forward position is not >> great to be in for long. If you set it to be comfortable in the forward >> position the upright is sometimes not great. The losco and albatross >> counter that pretty well. I never understood the multi position angle that >> Riv takes but then tell you you need a really long stem to counter the >> sweep. That puts the forward position way out there. So yeah if you want to >> use both get one with less sweep and rise/ Thats been what has worked for >> me. >> >> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 11:19:05 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote: >> >>> For what it's worth, I tried a Nitto FW33 stem (120mm, too long for her >>> imagine...) and it can be "slammed" in the head tube of this 45cm. I've got >>> all of the spacers on the headset and have not/will not cut the steerer of >>> the fork either. I need to measure the stem quill length.. >>> https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-fw30-power-stem-dull.html >>> >>> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 10:46:13 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> My experience on my Clem is quite the opposite of Garth’s. I do >>>> understand that my situation may be unique but it is what it is. 45 degree >>>> forward simply does not work for me. Bolt upright is the only way I can >>>> achieve a no numb hands position. Going into the wind I will assume a more >>>> forward leaning position but I cannot stay there very long. Numbness is >>>> almost immediately. I ride my Clem for hours with virtually no weight on >>>> my >>>> hands. And yes, my saddle is in the perfect vertical & horizontal position >>>> relative to the bottom bracket. I have ridden in this position, Bosco’s >>>> 2”-3” above saddle height, for 2 years & over 7,000 miles. No numb hands. >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Apr 5, 2024, at 9:24 AM, Garth <gart...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> An Albatoross is best for being in a forward, say 45d angle in a swept >>>> back style bar. If you use reverse Tektro brake levers, tape the bar up to >>>> and just around the top bend, then put thumbshiters there, that's about a >>>> "racey upright" as one can get using 45d body position as a base. All the >>>> other swept back bars, with regular MTB levers and grips at the ends, is >>>> just all wrong for what I'm referring to as the bars come back too far, >>>> requiring more weight on the arms and hands. When you lean forward, with >>>> proper forward seat placement in relation to the BB so you're using your >>>> legs and core to support yourself(not unlike riding a unicycle), having >>>> your arms extended forward exerts less pressure on the arms and hands. I >>>> think shallow, wide flared drop bars could also work if more hand >>>> positions >>>> are desired. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 9:02:00 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote: >>>> >>>>> Note when choosing stem (as I see a Faceplater was suggested), the >>>>> smaller sizes have headtubes that don't go very deep. I face this on the >>>>> 50-52 sizes. Those SUPER tall stems that Rivendell sells will not go very >>>>> far in and thus you are forced to have a ton of stem exposed. Couple that >>>>> with a bar like the Bosco and you will be way way way up with no way to >>>>> get >>>>> it lower. Pick up a stem that does not have the super long lengths. Go >>>>> short even if you have any uprise to it or are planning to use handlebars >>>>> that also have height. >>>>> >>>>> The losco bars are my favorite bars and perfect for a racy upright >>>>> mix. Also they are the best looking bars that Riv sells (IMO) >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 8:48:53 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is a 2023 45cm Clem. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm looking at putting her in a somewhat middle between racy and >>>>>> upright. Bosco could work for that I imagine, with the shifters and >>>>>> levers >>>>>> further up and gives her options. >>>>>> Alternatively was thinking Losco could be good, too. Might have her >>>>>> try the Vegan saddle as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 5:06:06 AM UTC-4 John Johnson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Igor, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For a 5'2" rider (I'm not going to assume it's for a lady or for >>>>>>> your friend!), the 45cm Clem is perfect. Obviously there is no >>>>>>> "objective" >>>>>>> right answer for which bars to use, and it's gonna depend on different >>>>>>> factors (I know I'm not dropping any mind-blowing information, but just >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> lay the groundwork for my suggestions). >>>>>>> I'd ask the following questions: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - What year Clem is it? The older Clems had shorter top tubes >>>>>>> (less reach) than the newer (2019 and post) models. >>>>>>> - What is the intended use? Tooling around, commuting, touring, >>>>>>> mountain biking? >>>>>>> - How does the rider like to be positioned? Aggressive and racy? >>>>>>> Upright and comfy? >>>>>>> - What is the rider's morphology? Long torso, short legs? Long >>>>>>> legs, short torso? Normal legs, normal torso? >>>>>>> - Are there aesthetic considerations? >>>>>>> - Are there cost considerations? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For me (an N of 1 - I am 5'8", longer torso with very short legs, >>>>>>> for reference), I currently ride a Clem 45 L (longer reach 2019 model, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> still with 26" wheels before the switch to 27.5") with a 70cm Nitto >>>>>>> Tallux >>>>>>> at the minimum insertion and 60cm Tosco bars and I couldn't be happier. >>>>>>> My >>>>>>> wife rides a Clem 45 L with Soma Oxford bars and I really like that set >>>>>>> up >>>>>>> too, but I find the Oxfords at 54cm (identical to Nitto Albatross) a >>>>>>> tad >>>>>>> bit narrow for my taste. I rode my pre-2019 Clem H with a Riv Bullmoose >>>>>>> (67cm) and it was totally great - but I was running that bike single >>>>>>> speed >>>>>>> and as a dedicated mountain bike - I don't love the 30° sweep for >>>>>>> longer >>>>>>> rides (on longer rides, I want 45-60° sweep). I tried Boscos for a >>>>>>> minute >>>>>>> (I think it was the 54cm that came stock on my wife's Clem), but I felt >>>>>>> almost cartoonishly upright and didn't feel connected enough with the >>>>>>> bike. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For your rider, at 5'2", I'm guessing you have a newer (post 2019 >>>>>>> geo changes) Clem and it's likely they'll want swept back bars of some >>>>>>> sort. I think the Albatross (or Soma Oxford) are perfect for the Clem >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> right rise, sweep, width, and good looking to boot. The Toscos, like I >>>>>>> mentioned, are great, but I'd opt for the 55cm model probably in your >>>>>>> rider's case. Re: the Boscos, I'm a bit taller than your rider, so >>>>>>> maybe >>>>>>> Boscos would do the trick in their case. Lastly, if they don't want a >>>>>>> relaxed position, you've got a billion options of flat or riser bars >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> minimal sweep, but I won't bother with recs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John (outside Fontainebleau) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 6:36:58 AM UTC+2 Kim H. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @Igor - >>>>>>>> I have a couple of Terry women's saddles that are lightly used to >>>>>>>> sell, if you are interested for your lady friend. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.terrybicycles.com/Cite-X-Gel-Italia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.terrybicycles.com/Liberator-X >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Contact me off this group for more details and pictures. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 7:52:34 PM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A lot of nice bars to choose from. That said, the Bosco is >>>>>>>>> perfect. The extra rise is great as it results in less stem exposed >>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>> with the Tosco. I suggest one of the three FacePlater stems makes >>>>>>>>> life so >>>>>>>>> much easier & the older tig welded one is currently on sale, I think. >>>>>>>>> But, >>>>>>>>> without the frame & handlebar at hand it’s guesswork at best >>>>>>>>> regarding stem >>>>>>>>> length. I am 5’10”, ride a 52 Clem with Bosco & 135 FacePlater. I do >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> know how much shorter the reach is on the 45, but I would guess a >>>>>>>>> stem >>>>>>>>> closer to 70-80? Call Riv & ask them, they give excellent advice. Or, >>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>> to get your hands n a few different (cheap) stems to try? >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 4, 2024, at 9:28 PM, Igor <belopol...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any suggestions or ways to "know" what stem or bars to use? 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