Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

For me, the convincing argument is not ease of querying; the convincing argument is essentially namespacing. "uprn" and "usrn" are rather generic initialisms, and I don't see any useful reason for our uk/gb project to claim the "meaning" of ref:uprn or ref:usrn within OSM's tag namespace. I notice

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

Why country codes? OSM is geospatially aware. On 09/04/2020 14:31, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 14:26, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 09:21, Tony OSM wrote: If the data is to be in the public domain the next step has to be tagging. Do w

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 10/04/2020 17:37, Brian Prangle wrote: Can I ask two  basic daft questions? What use are these in OSM if we only pick at them instead of importing the lot ( which is  highly unlikely)? UPRNs will be useful on any mapped building or area, as it will help link OSM data to other datasets in

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 10/04/2020 17:37, Brian Prangle wrote: Can I ask two  basic daft questions? Perfectly reasonable questions ... What use are these in OSM if we only pick at them instead of importing the lot ( which is  highly unlikely)? I'll repeat that we do need to wait and see exactly what will be relea

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

Can I ask two basic daft questions? What use are these in OSM if we only pick at them instead of importing the lot ( which is highly unlikely)? Is it possible to derive street names from USRN in a way that is licence compatible? Regards Brian On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 13:14, Mark Goodge wrote:

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 09/04/2020 20:58, nd...@redhazel.co.uk wrote: If uprn is supposed to denote an address, why not simply use addr:uprn? It doesn't denote an address. While a lot of premises that have a UPRN also have an address, there are also many that don't. Every individual field in an agricultural are

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

Prefer capitalised ref:UK:uprn and ref:UK:usrn as wikipage for ref https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref shows towards the end that US and FR are used to build up refs, FR has a page showing all their ref's https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/France/Liste_des_r%C3%A9f%C3%A9rences_nationa

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 10/04/2020 08:04, Jez Nicholson wrote: I don't think they meant 'replace an address with addr:uprn', just enhance it. I was not being as clear as I should have been. A UPRN parcel of land or object includes those for which an address is not appropriate and which 'Royal Mail' would never de

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

I don't think they meant 'replace an address with addr:uprn', just enhance it. On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, 21:37 Lester Caine, wrote: > On 09/04/2020 20:58, nd...@redhazel.co.uk wrote: > > If uprn is supposed to denote an address, why not simply use addr:uprn? > There is no intention that UPRN will repl

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 09/04/2020 20:58, nd...@redhazel.co.uk wrote: If uprn is supposed to denote an address, why not simply use addr:uprn? There is no intention that UPRN will replace an address. It will be able to return a unique address but there will be no move to remove that duplicate data from OSM. What the

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

If uprn is supposed to denote an address, why not simply use addr:uprn? ndrw6 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

Op do 9 apr. 2020 om 19:47 schreef Lester Caine : > > On 09/04/2020 15:32, Mark Goodge wrote: > >> So I'd propose that we use either ref:uprn and ref:usrn, or > >> ref:UK:uprn and ref:UK:usrn. What does everyone else think? > > > > I'd be happy with either, so long as it's consistent. > > That is i

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 09/04/2020 15:32, Mark Goodge wrote: So I'd propose that we use either ref:uprn and ref:usrn, or ref:UK:uprn and ref:UK:usrn. What does everyone else think? I'd be happy with either, so long as it's consistent. That is ideal from my point of view ... yes you can get the country by process

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 09/04/2020 17:18, Andy Mabbett wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 13:06, Mark Goodge wrote: They're a 10 to 12 digit integer. Is there a check digit? No, they're a simple sequential allocation. So an error can't be detected internally, it does need to be verified. But the same is true of

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 13:06, Mark Goodge wrote: > They're a 10 to 12 digit integer. Is there a check digit? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 09/04/2020 14:26, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: I would have said that ref:uprn and ref:usrn are the natural choices for use to use. However, I've seen some calls for country codes to be added to 3rd-party ref values, so we might consider ref:UK:uprn and ref:UK:usrn instead. This isn'

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

It would seem to be "rather" unlikely that such reference ids would be named UPRN and UPSN outside of the UK to start with, so a more generic building_ref, street_ref or similar would be likely more sensible (if there is any value at all in mapping these). And yes similar concepts exist outside of

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

Can’t the key location be inferred by the fact it is within a country bounds rather than redundantly added? Gareth > On 9 Apr 2020, at 14:46, Tony OSM wrote: > > That makes perfect sense to me. > > Any other views? > > Tony > >> On 09/04/2020 14:31, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: >>>

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

That makes perfect sense to me. Any other views? Tony On 09/04/2020 14:31, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 14:26, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 09:21, Tony OSM wrote: If the data is to be in the public domain the next step has to be tag

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 14:26, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 09:21, Tony OSM wrote: > > If the data is to be in the public domain the next step has to be tagging. > > Do we need country specific tags for these two pieces of data? > > What should they be? > [snip] > > S

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 09:21, Tony OSM wrote: > If the data is to be in the public domain the next step has to be tagging. > Do we need country specific tags for these two pieces of data? > What should they be? Looking at taginfo, there are a number of different tags in use for UPRN values (see ht

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 03/04/2020 10:15, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote: So, will I have to quote a 20-digit alpha-numeric code, if I want to order something from Amazon? ..or get my grandchildren to send me a birthday card? (I do not know what these UPRN's look like, but I bet they are not as easy to remember

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 09/04/2020 10:46, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote: Hi Lester, Sorry if my post was a bit of a rant.  I have a history of having to fight to get IT systems that do the hard work and preventing them demanding that people do the translation into "machine-speak". My rant has always been that post

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

Hi Lester, Sorry if my post was a bit of a rant.  I have a history of having to fight to get IT systems that do the hard work and preventing them demanding that people do the translation into "machine-speak". Thanks for the explanation. Regards,Peter On Thursday, 9 April 2020, 10:29:05 BST, L

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 03/04/2020 10:15, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote: So, will I have to quote a 20-digit alpha-numeric code, if I want to order something from Amazon? ..or get my grandchildren to send me a birthday card? (I do not know what these UPRN's look like, but I bet they are not as easy to remember as

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 09/04/2020 09:19, Tony OSM wrote: Thanks to Andy for highlighting this. If the data is to be in the public domain the next step has to be tagging. As someone who has been using this data internally for clients who are the councils who have been providing it TO the charged for services I'm p

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

Thanks to Andy for highlighting this. If the data is to be in the public domain the next step has to be tagging. Do we need country specific tags for these two pieces of data? What should they be? Do we need a wiki for them , where?  I'll summarise the answers and create a wiki page if someon

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

So, will I have to quote a 20-digit alpha-numeric code, if I want to order something from Amazon? ..or get my grandchildren to send me a birthday card? (I do not know what these UPRN's look like, but I bet they are not as easy to remember as "Rose Cottage, 3 Church Lane, XX3 4ZZ")  We have to thi

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 03/04/2020 09:27, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: There will presumably be a drive in government circles to store addresses as UPRN's, and then fetch the associated location and address data from AddressBase. Assuming Rob's interpretation is correct (I think it probably is) then this co

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 22:19, RobJN wrote: > It's all a bit unclear but from what I've read it sounds like there will be > a release of the UPRN / UPSN identifiers and their associated geometries > ("coordinates" in some text). I see no reference to address data being part > of the release. There

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

As always, Owen has a good write-up: https://twitter.com/owenboswarva/status/1245763596782575617?s=19 Thank you Rob -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Great-Britain-f5372682.html ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://l

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

Hi Jez, It's all a bit unclear but from what I've read it sounds like there will be a release of the UPRN / UPSN identifiers and their associated geometries ("coordinates" in some text). I see no reference to address data being part of the release. What it will mean is that there will be an easy

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

please tell me that does not mean that rather than releasing geodata with lat-lon, street address, etc., UK Govt will use a proprietary id instead? and to turn this id into something usable I have to licence an OS product. On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:10 PM Andy Mabbett wrote: > "Unique Property and

[Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

"Unique Property and Street Reference Numbers to become the standard way of referencing and sharing address information about properties and streets across government, helping to transform public services and boost our economy" https://www.gov.uk/government/news/geospatial-commission-to-release-co

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission

Hi Gregory, The ODI just put the following out - it's a good read: https://theodi.org/blog/what-will-the-uks-geospatial-commission-look-like For the OSM UK C.I.C it would be good for us to weigh in with our thoughts on what a positive direction would look like. For example, how can OSM help suppo

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission

traction would we jump ship? > > > > I’ll leave that one with you for the weekend J > > > > Cheers > > Andy > > > > *From:* SK53 [mailto:sk53@gmail.com ] > *Sent:* 23 November 2017 19:14 > *To:* Gervase Markham > *Cc:* Talk-GB@openstreetmap.or

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission

g to look like a rather clunky model. If a new Steve Coast > starts a 4D mapping project and it gains initial traction would we > jump ship? > >   > > I’ll leave that one with you for the weekend J > >   > > Cheers > > Andy > >   > > *From:*SK53 [mai

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oast starts a 4D mapping project and it gains initial traction would we jump ship? I’ll leave that one with you for the weekend J Cheers Andy From: SK53 [mailto:sk53@gmail.com] Sent: 23 November 2017 19:14 To: Gervase Markham Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Geospa

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission

Ed Parkes has a more pessimistic take on the money: https://medium.com/@edtparkes/well-need-more-than-20m-a-year-to-get-free-maps-specifically-politicians-willing-to-share-e27e86c356ba On a related topic, remember there was £5m in March 2016 Budget to explore options for open addresses and we're

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission

Am 23.11.2017 um 20:13 schrieb SK53: > ... > > Owen Boswarva's asks if this would > mean the > end of OSM mapping in UK. A provocative thought. > > ... Well Owen is not exactly known as a big friend of OSM to start with. But in any cas

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission

The twitterverse has been talking of nothing else. Personally, I will be very cautiously optimistic. The best case scenario is one suggested by Bob Barr: - OSGB changes it's business model from pay-to-use to transaction based (a la Land Registry). - The £80 million (2 years at £40 milli

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission

I think it's 'a wait & see' until the final decision is made, but paying £80m over two years to buy something we've already paid for doesn't seem good value for money. DaveF On 23/11/2017 15:56, Gervase Markham wrote: This sounds... vaguely positive? https://www.gov.uk/government/news/chance

[Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission

This sounds... vaguely positive? https://www.gov.uk/government/news/chancellor-to-unlock-hidden-value-of-government-data Gerv ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb