Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy
On May 15, 2020 3:04:06 AM AKDT, jeanfrancois wrote: >Justine, > >No one except a few people probably make OpenBSD so you won't >find what you expect here, except what you put in if we can say so. There is too much "help" out there, and no enterprise to speak of. The risk of criminal prosecution is too high, people are dealing drugs on OpenBSD, and the cops are cracking down, but it sure ain't the dealers taking the fall for the drugs in any court of law. It's us "users" who haven't paid our dues for "protection" from the usual extortion rackets in town, not that we actually made a "choice" of our own free will to do anything illegal. > >So it depends upon if you find it worthwhile to investigate. > >I deeply think OpenBSD needs to remain small that's all, but it's free A small trusted (audited) code base is great: lean and mean is definitely the right spirit, but some of the underlying hardware and the interfaces to connect to it are getting out of hand. It's undocumented, or poorly documented, subject to NDA and exclusive agreements with SCO and MSFT. I would need to get basic laptop hardware recognized and booted properly before I'm SWATted, trespassed off the property, arrested, and end up having all my computer equipment confiscated by corrupt thin-blue-line-flag cops on the take. No I'm not blaming OpenBSD, don't take it that way. It's the Chaos Computer Club, the Cult of the Dead Cow, and similar groups who have gotten into the U.S. government and gained the ability to file and prosecute arbitrary criminal charges against Targeted Individuals. >you can use it if you like, and even create projects and then let us >know about it. Nice. I can "use" it, "responsibly," I presume. I'm not a "hacker" and I'm not breaking any laws and I'm not taking anyone's paid job away by using open source. > >That's what advocacy also is for. Well I probably do need an attorney to defend myself against all the civil and criminal allegations from the SCO team et alia, or I would, except all those attorneys are on Facebook and Twitter, they use Microsoft Windows in the office, and they're in trouble with the bar because they're all THIEVES IN LAW (воры в законе) hard at work stealing money, confiscating property, and REVOKING basic human rights and dignities "on vice" for life without recourse. Sorry for the rant, but somehow we've got to get a grip on serious organized crime, somehow grab those guys by their scruffy white collars or dirty blue collars or whatever is the requisite clothing for their chosen profession or vocation, haul *them* into their own court system, make *them* face the charges for their crimes, rather than allowing them to live a life of crime and use their court system as a tool against us. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy
It is amazing how you keep digging up additional mandates for the OpenBSD project! Brilliant work. I'm wondering if you have an view on our UFO research? Justina Colmena ~biz wrote: > > > > On May 15, 2020 3:04:06 AM AKDT, jeanfrancois wrote: > >Justine, > > > >No one except a few people probably make OpenBSD so you won't > >find what you expect here, except what you put in if we can say so. > There is too much "help" out there, and no enterprise to speak of. The risk > of criminal prosecution is too high, people are dealing drugs on OpenBSD, and > the cops are cracking down, but it sure ain't the dealers taking the fall for > the drugs in any court of law. It's us "users" who haven't paid our dues for > "protection" from the usual extortion rackets in town, not that we actually > made a "choice" of our own free will to do anything illegal. > > > > >So it depends upon if you find it worthwhile to investigate. > > > >I deeply think OpenBSD needs to remain small that's all, but it's free > A small trusted (audited) code base is great: lean and mean is definitely the > right spirit, but some of the underlying hardware and the interfaces to > connect to it are getting out of hand. It's undocumented, or poorly > documented, subject to NDA and exclusive agreements with SCO and MSFT. > > I would need to get basic laptop hardware recognized and booted properly > before I'm SWATted, trespassed off the property, arrested, and end up having > all my computer equipment confiscated by corrupt thin-blue-line-flag cops on > the take. > > No I'm not blaming OpenBSD, don't take it that way. It's the Chaos Computer > Club, the Cult of the Dead Cow, and similar groups who have gotten into the > U.S. government and gained the ability to file and prosecute arbitrary > criminal charges against Targeted Individuals. > > >you can use it if you like, and even create projects and then let us > >know about it. > Nice. I can "use" it, "responsibly," I presume. I'm not a "hacker" and I'm > not breaking any laws and I'm not taking anyone's paid job away by using open > source. > > > >That's what advocacy also is for. > Well I probably do need an attorney to defend myself against all the civil > and criminal allegations from the SCO team et alia, or I would, except all > those attorneys are on Facebook and Twitter, they use Microsoft Windows in > the office, and they're in trouble with the bar because they're all THIEVES > IN LAW (воры в законе) hard at work stealing money, confiscating property, > and REVOKING basic human rights and dignities "on vice" for life without > recourse. > > Sorry for the rant, but somehow we've got to get a grip on serious organized > crime, somehow grab those guys by their scruffy white collars or dirty blue > collars or whatever is the requisite clothing for their chosen profession or > vocation, haul *them* into their own court system, make *them* face the > charges for their crimes, rather than allowing them to live a life of crime > and use their court system as a tool against us. > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >
Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy
Austin Hook wrote: > However, preserving personal freedom and safety from crooks and corruption > is an important, if endless task.One person can't do much, but of > course, it's all those one person commitments that gave us what we have > now. Find what you can do best, do it, and share the news. It should > inspire others. No kidding, especially from crooks like you.
Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy
On Fri, 15 May 2020, Justina Colmena ~biz wrote: > On May 15, 2020 3:04:06 AM AKDT, jeanfrancois wrote: > >Justine, > > > >No one except a few people probably make OpenBSD so you won't > >find what you expect here, except what you put in if we can say so. > There is too much "help" out there, and no enterprise to speak of. The > risk of criminal prosecution is too high, people are dealing drugs on > OpenBSD, and the cops are cracking down, but it sure ain't the dealers > taking the fall for the drugs in any court of law. It's us "users" who > haven't paid our dues for "protection" from the usual extortion rackets > in town, not that we actually made a "choice" of our own free will to do > anything illegal. > > > > >So it depends upon if you find it worthwhile to investigate. > > > >I deeply think OpenBSD needs to remain small that's all, but it's free > A small trusted (audited) code base is great: lean and mean is > definitely the right spirit, but some of the underlying hardware and the > interfaces to connect to it are getting out of hand. It's undocumented, > or poorly documented, subject to NDA and exclusive agreements with SCO > and MSFT. > > I would need to get basic laptop hardware recognized and booted properly > before I'm SWATted, trespassed off the property, arrested, and end up > having all my computer equipment confiscated by corrupt > thin-blue-line-flag cops on the take. > > No I'm not blaming OpenBSD, don't take it that way. It's the Chaos > Computer Club, the Cult of the Dead Cow, and similar groups who have > gotten into the U.S. government and gained the ability to file and > prosecute arbitrary criminal charges against Targeted Individuals. > > >you can use it if you like, and even create projects and then let us > >know about it. > Nice. I can "use" it, "responsibly," I presume. I'm not a "hacker" and > I'm not breaking any laws and I'm not taking anyone's paid job away by > using open source. > > > >That's what advocacy also is for. > Well I probably do need an attorney to defend myself against all the > civil and criminal allegations from the SCO team et alia, or I would, > except all those attorneys are on Facebook and Twitter, they use > Microsoft Windows in the office, and they're in trouble with the bar > because they're all THIEVES IN LAW ( ? ??) hard at work stealing > money, confiscating property, and REVOKING basic human rights and > dignities "on vice" for life without recourse. > > Sorry for the rant, but somehow we've got to get a grip on serious > organized crime, somehow grab those guys by their scruffy white collars > or dirty blue collars or whatever is the requisite clothing for their > chosen profession or vocation, haul *them* into their own court system, > make *them* face the charges for their crimes, rather than allowing them > to live a life of crime and use their court system as a tool against us. Sounds a bit paranoid to me. However, preserving personal freedom and safety from crooks and corruption is an important, if endless task.One person can't do much, but of course, it's all those one person commitments that gave us what we have now. Find what you can do best, do it, and share the news. It should inspire others. OpenBSD, in it's field, is one of the most pure and interesting examples of that kind of philosophy. A.
Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy
Justine, No one except a few people probably make OpenBSD so you won't find what you expect here, except what you put in if we can say so. So it depends upon if you find it worthwhile to investigate. I deeply think OpenBSD needs to remain small that's all, but it's free you can use it if you like, and even create projects and then let us know about it. That's what advocacy also is for. Regards JF
Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy
Hi, This means do things and make advocacy I'd guess, to be honest BSD's about 0,1% usage though a real backbone at some critical points of the network, this means there's really no one do to the job, it's used and programmed at the same time, for real usage. So far as example it's the nat rooter in virtual environment for some people, their local rooter, server, firewall, so almost anything we can do is work out solution and share with others. Regards Jean-François Le 15/05/2020 à 03:06, Theo de Raadt a écrit : You've done nothing except believe that words are action. Aisha Tammy wrote: On 5/14/20 8:52 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: Aisha Tammy wrote: On 5/14/20 7:24 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: Kyle Willett wrote: I think OpenBSD advocacy could do more too. I read on an open source news site that Lenovo is going to start offering a Fedora Linux option on their Thinkpad lineup and already certifies some for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. I think it would be great if we could get some Who is "we"? hardware manufacturer to certify OpenBSD on a device and offer it pre-installed as an OS choice. I think that would be a good thing for the project. Maybe an AMD64 x86_64 laptop is too much at first and maybe we should start with one of the arm or mips laptops supported Who is "we"? well by OpenBSD. I don't know just a dream I have. Why go around telling people your dreams? Why not do all this yourself? You don't need a mailing list for it. Is it your dream that others in the group "we" will do what you dream? What you are doing here is advocating that other people do that which you don't and won't do yourself. To be honest, it comes off small minded. There are many possible assumptions of what they could have meant, I don't think there is a need to be overly harsh to their attitude. For all I know they might be an enthusiastic college student who wants to help. I suspect you are an enthusiastic person who wants to send a mail to us, telling us what to do. Sorry if it seemed like that. I am not telling anyone what to do. I am asking for suggestions on what I could do more. But that which you dream of? You won't left a leg to do any of it. Voicing your ideas and finding like minded people is a good motivator for doing a project. No, doing work is what makes projects. You are just typing words @Kyle, I do appreciate your enthusiasm. That said, I do agree that going straight to hardware is far from what is possible as a short term goal. I think it is better by starting to do small things, I agree it is better to DO THINGS. But you are writing words. I do try to help in any small way that I can in ports@, though I am not too good at it yet. I've already asked the newsletters to hopefully include the recent news about wireguard patches (even though it is not confirmed to be included yet, please don't kill me over this) and hopefully I get a positive response :) . The world is so full of writing about writing about doing stuff, but short of people who actually do stuff. You are one of those writers, it appears... I know this is not a lot but I am hoping slowly things can turn up for the better. As always, am open any other ideas you might have. (I tried to be terse, I think I failed) What a waste of time. In that case, could you tell what was the idea behind creating an advocacy list, which on the site says: for promoting the use of OpenBSD ? Is this not what it is? I am also confused why so furious at me? I don't think I've done anything horrible?
Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy
On Thu, 14 May 2020, Theo de Raadt wrote: > That's incredibly insightful! > > You are precisely the true leader OpenBSD needs to compete in the > harsh corporate environment that gives us no respect! Maybe I was wrong. I thought that "advocacy" had disappeared from the official collection of mailing lists. But in any case I see it does appear there now. Maybe just restored? Used to be a good place to let distractions have there place, so as not to bother the developers. Looks like it's back on that track... Probably works just as well (or badly) without all the cc's. :-) A.
Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy
On May 14, 2020 5:24:38 PM AKDT, Theo de Raadt wrote:
>
>So you go find a mailing list noone in the industry reads,
>and *cry* into it.
>
>never know, it might change the world. Or not.
>
"In the industry" again. Here we go again. I've been banlisted and blackballed
out of all those "labor unions" since my youth. They had a "VICA" club at my
high school many years ago, and I was not invited.
>> I'm not trying to be religious here, but Martin Luther and others
>have explained that we cannot make it to heaven or achieve success in
>this life by works of the law.
>
>nor can you by crying about hardware injustice on a mailing list
>read by noone
Certain "working class" people aggressively claim all sorts of collective
bargaining, work-related and employment rights and then they ride roughshod
over basic human rights for everyone and everything else. It's the Mob. And
then the bosses play right into their hands with delusions of "intellectual
property," 100-year corporate copyrights, employee non-compete agreements and
non-disclosure agreements, business-method patent portfolios, selectively
enforced trademarks on common dictionary words, and government top secret
classification for business trade secrets.
Then the "free software" folks hired some of the same lawyers to come up with
the "GPL," and there's an "established" Linux kernel to boot all that GNU
software, and the Santa Cruz Operation ("SCO" out of the same vice district as
Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, and Denver) hit them with poisoned code, cartel
copyright allegations, and a magic solution, "Well, if you didn't release such
reliable mission-critical code to the public, all would be well for the
mil-spec employment market in Silicon Valley (San Francisco, California.)
Noone? I don't know. In French they say «personne» unless they're lawyers, in
which case they say «nulle personne» … they're workers. You can't fire them.
They never quit. They're always "serving" you in court or at law with something
or another you didn't order and you don't want.
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