[African Wikimedians] Proposed Hackathon at Wiki Indaba

2023-05-29 Thread Michael Graaf
 Dear African Wikimedians, Wiki Indaba is Africa's annual gathering of
Wikimedians; this year it's in Morocco:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiIndaba_conference_2023 . I am proposing
a hackathon as part of the program:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTA_Update_Hackathon . If you are an active
Wikimedian and are interested in participating in the hackathon, you can
ask to do so in person or online:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiIndaba_2023/Submissions/OTA_Update_Hackathon
.


If you are signed into your Wiki account, you just need to add your
"signature" by typing  and indicating local or remote.

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[Wikimedia ZA] Fwd: #DS4SocietySeminar DS@UP - Mukondleteri Dumela - Why language technologies for African languages are important. <> 23 September 2022

2022-09-14 Thread Michael Graaf
Greetings all,

The digital divide between SA languages remains huge; fortunately new
technologies offer cheaper and faster ways of levelling the playing fields.
Here's a good example.

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Seminars @ DS@UP - 2022 Data Science for Society Seminar Series
#DS4SocietySeminar

Our next seminar for 2022
*Topic:* Why language technologies for African languages are important.
*Speaker:* Mukondleteri Dumela
*Sign Up:* RSVP
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*Date:* 23 September 2022
*Time: * 9:00AM-10:00AM SAST

*Abstract*
The world is a diverse place with thousands of languages and cultural
traditions. Africa alone has over 2,000 languages spoken amongst its 1,2
billion people. However, only a few African languages benefit from emerging
human language technologies, and the gap continues to grow as new human
language technologies are developed. Perhaps it is time to reflect on why
it is critical that emerging human language technologies be inclusive of
African languages and what we risk losing if we do not change course.

*Author Bio*
Mukondleteri Dumela is a Software Developer with a keen focus on African
languages. Hebegan my career in the University of Pretoria in 2009 while
studying towards a Bachelor of Information Science in Multimedia.
Mukondleteri has since then been working on various projects to advance the
status of technology for African languages.

He is the founder of the two projects:

*Angula*
Angula teaches people African languages using the voices of native
speakers.
- Angula is in BETA and is set for release in September 2022
- The link is https://angula.app
<http://mail01.tinyletterapp.com/datascience-up/ds4societyseminar-ds-up-mukondleteri-dumela-why-language-technologies-for-african-languages-are-important-23-september-2022/21451297-angula.app/?c=6ea82c5a-4ac3-495a-b532-65f8f998f569>

*Xitsonga.org*
Xitsonga.org is a non profit organisation that is focused on digitising the
Xitsonga language.
- The website has been accessed by over a million people.
- Our apps have downloads of over 200 000.
- Xitsonga Dictionary app won the 2020 Best Educational Solution at the MTN
App Awards
- The link is https://xitsonga.org
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This years schedule is below.



Date

Time [SAST]

Speaker

Organisation

21/07/2022

17:00

Rediet Abebe

UC Berkeley

12/08/2022

09:00

William Bird

Real 411 + MMA

02/09/2022

09:00

Sekou L Remy

IBM Research Nairobi

23/09/2022

09:00

Mukondleteri Dumela

Angula

21/10/2022

09:00

Skyler Wang
UC Berkeley Sociology Department/Meta

04/11/2022

15:00

TBA


25/11/2022

09:00

TBA


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[Wikimedia ZA] Fwd: Wikidata Digest, Vol 127, Issue 18

2022-06-22 Thread Michael Graaf
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[Wikimedia ZA] Fwd: Wikidata Digest, Vol 127, Issue 5

2022-06-07 Thread Michael Graaf
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[Wikimedia ZA] Re: WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 133, Issue 2

2022-01-21 Thread Michael Graaf
diaza 
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>
> Hi Peter,
>
> Not yet but now might be a good time to set one up on meta wiki.
>
> Regards,
>
> Douglas
>
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 at 17:52, Peter Southwood <
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Shupai,
> > Is there a wiki site for this?
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Shupai Mchuchu [mailto:shu...@wikimedia.org.za]
> > Sent: 18 January 2022 14:57
> > To: wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Wikimedia South Africa Project Wishlist
> >
> > Hello everyone
> >
> > I hope this finds you well and the new year has started on a good note
> for
> > everyone.
> >
> > WikimediaZA wants to create a project wishlist, this wishlist is project
> > ideas you the community would like to run, manage and implement.
> >
> > I am writing to you all kindly requesting you to send to me any ideas of
> > projects you would like to see being run within the chapter or would like
> > to run and manage.
> >
> > Please do not hesitate to reach out if you have any questions.
> >
> > Looking forward to hearing from you all.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> >
> > Shupai Mchuchu
> >
> > Chapter Administrator
> >
> > Wikimedia South Africa NPC.
> > 6 Spin Street, Cape Town, South Africa
> >
> > Office +27 (021) 565 0143
> >
> > Reg. No. 2012/038827/08
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[Wikimedia ZA] Re: WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 129, Issue 7

2021-09-22 Thread Michael Graaf
May I just add, please, that we many times requested to work out an MOU
with Moleskine, and kept having procrastinations.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 11:15 AM 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 10:30:31 +0200
> From: Rossouw van Rooyen 
> Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration
> South Africa event
> To: wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org
> Cc: Shupai Mchuchu , Ngonidzashe Chipunza
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> Not that I am under any illusion that my opinion matters, but I strongly
> recommend everyone to have absolutely nothing to do with this
> leech-organisation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rossouw van RooyenFarm ManagerWildheim <https://www.wildheim.net/>Cell:
> 081 874 1191Tel: 063 280 650*
>
>
> On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:21, Michael Graaf 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > what I was saying was that instead of seeing this as an issue of
> Afrikaans
> > being discriminated against, it should be seen as careless
> > communication/ignorance on the part of Moleskine. We would all gladly
> > support them if they announced that their mission was to boost
> marginalised
> > languages (those with small wikis/few contributors). However,they
> expressed
> > it by saying they want to support indigenous languages, with an
> assumption
> > that these two categories overlap.
> >
> > However Afrikaans is an exception, since it isn't marginalised. They
> failed
> > to take that fact into consideration, and hence they raised false
> > expectations. Then, adding insult to injury, they tried to explain by
> > saying Afrikaans is not indigenous, rather than that it's not
> marginalised.
> > So we need to advise them to be more careful.
> >
> > On a personal note, let me remind board members that we have previously
> > discussed the issue of "Afrikaaps" being the marginalised side of
> > Afrikaans. After I shared a radio interview with you, I was mandated to
> > contact the panelists, which I did, but without them taking up the offer
> of
> > a workshop. More recently UWC has published the first dictionary of
> > Afrikaaps, so perhaps someone there might be interested in dialogue.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:15 AM Bobby Shabangu 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Shupai,
> > >
> > > Kindly remind me what resolution did we take on the issue Deon is
> > raising.
> > > I remember him raising that he applied for the Wikimedian in Residence
> > > position and he made a follow up why he was not selected as a candidate
> > but
> > > instead he was informed they don't recognize Afrikaans, @Deon correct
> me
> > if
> > > I'm wrong here!
> > >
> > > I think I said I was going to write a letter to chastise them for such
> > > kind of harsh response since Rossouw an Afrikaans speaker played a
> > pivotal
> > > role in this project. And I remember Michael speaking but my internet
> > went
> > > down I don't remember how we finally said we were gonna move forward
> with
> > > this issue? Kindly remind me so that I respond immediately.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Bobby Shabangu
> > >
> > > On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 08:00,  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi guys
> > >>
> > >> The very same people that does not recognise Afrikaans as an
> indigenous
> > >> language...
> > >>
> > >> Deon
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From:

[Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration South Africa event

2021-09-22 Thread Michael Graaf
Hi all,

what I was saying was that instead of seeing this as an issue of Afrikaans
being discriminated against, it should be seen as careless
communication/ignorance on the part of Moleskine. We would all gladly
support them if they announced that their mission was to boost marginalised
languages (those with small wikis/few contributors). However,they expressed
it by saying they want to support indigenous languages, with an assumption
that these two categories overlap.

However Afrikaans is an exception, since it isn't marginalised. They failed
to take that fact into consideration, and hence they raised false
expectations. Then, adding insult to injury, they tried to explain by
saying Afrikaans is not indigenous, rather than that it's not marginalised.
So we need to advise them to be more careful.

On a personal note, let me remind board members that we have previously
discussed the issue of "Afrikaaps" being the marginalised side of
Afrikaans. After I shared a radio interview with you, I was mandated to
contact the panelists, which I did, but without them taking up the offer of
a workshop. More recently UWC has published the first dictionary of
Afrikaaps, so perhaps someone there might be interested in dialogue.

Regards,

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:15 AM Bobby Shabangu 
wrote:

> Dear Shupai,
>
> Kindly remind me what resolution did we take on the issue Deon is raising.
> I remember him raising that he applied for the Wikimedian in Residence
> position and he made a follow up why he was not selected as a candidate but
> instead he was informed they don't recognize Afrikaans, @Deon correct me if
> I'm wrong here!
>
> I think I said I was going to write a letter to chastise them for such
> kind of harsh response since Rossouw an Afrikaans speaker played a pivotal
> role in this project. And I remember Michael speaking but my internet went
> down I don't remember how we finally said we were gonna move forward with
> this issue? Kindly remind me so that I respond immediately.
>
> Best,
> Bobby Shabangu
>
> On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 08:00,  wrote:
>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> The very same people that does not recognise Afrikaans as an indigenous
>> language...
>>
>> Deon
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bobby Shabangu 
>> Sent: Woensdag 22 September 2021 02:25
>> To: Tochi Precious ; WikimediaZA List
>> ; Shupai Mchuchu <
>> shu...@wikimedia.org.za>;
>> Ngonidzashe Chipunza 
>> Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration
>> South
>> Africa event
>>
>> Dear Tochi,
>>
>> Thanks for reaching out, we already know about this project from a
>> presentation made by Papa some couple of months back. Shupai our
>> administrator will let you know there are more volunteers from the Chapter
>> and community who would like to take part here.
>>
>> @Shupai Mchuchu   kindly note these dates and
>> send
>> me a reminder 2 days before it takes place. Also kindly send this to our
>> community and board to find out if there aren't any volunteers who would
>> want to take part and volunteer with their time in this project. I'll
>> certainly be there.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Bobby Shabangu
>>
>> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 16:59, Tochi Precious 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Bobby, my name is [[User: Tochiprecious]]. I'm one of the
>> > founding members of @wikimediaigbo and also a Wikipedian in Residence
>> > at Moleskine Foundation working on the WikiAfrica Education project.
>> >
>> > I pioneered the last AfroCuration on 4th and 5th September in
>> > Mozambique where I worked with the WMF Language Team to get the
>> > Makhuwa language Wikipedia into the incubator. We had over 70
>> > participants and have created over 120 articles since then.
>> >
>> > My next program is in S.A, with Constitution Hill and Harambee on 26th
>> > and 27th of October and I would like to ask for your assistance as a
>> > User Group to help train new editors to edit your language Wikipedia,
>> > and also mentor them to become part of your user group and also
>> > knowledge contributors in your language on Wiki.
>> >
>> > Also, I would like to find out the languages that the S.A User Group
>> > edits Wiki in.
>> >
>> > I'll be looking forward to hearing from you soon.
>> >
>> > Thanks a lot
>> > Tochi
>> >
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Re: [Wikimedia ZA] WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 123, Issue 2

2021-03-07 Thread Michael Graaf
Dear all,

I had already "met" Shupai in the course of a board meeting but seeing
information here about her background gives me an idea, or rather
re-awakens an old one.

One of WIkimedia-ZA's outreach options considered over the years and
occasionally implemented by individual members, is the use of Kiwix offline
WIkipedias. Given that prison inmates are denied internet access, but do
sometimes have access to computers for rehabilitation-related training, how
about arranging installation in those computers of Kiwix in all SA official
languages - and perhaps other content available from Kiwix in .ZIM file
format, like Khan academy or TED videos? For extra points, how about
WikiFundi which allows them to create content?

Just flying a kite!


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> To: Mailing list for African Wikimedians
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> Cc: Shupai Schnabel Mchuchu 
> Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Introducing WikimediaZA Executive Assistant
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> Good day all,
>
> Today I'm excited to announce that WikimediaZA has granted the position of
> Executive Assistant to Shupai Muchuchu where among her role will be
> stakeholder and community engagement.
>
> Shupai has a background in Dramatic Arts. She's done a lot of advocacy work
> to raise awareness on issues of juvenile delinquency and
> social rehabilitation through theatre workshops and dialogues in places
> such as Pollsmoore and Goodwood correctional services. She's also worked
> with a number of youth organisations supporting education in
> disadvantaged communities.
>
> Kindly help me congratulate Shupai on her new role. We are looking forward
> to working with her.
>
> Kind regards,
> Bobby Shabangu
>
> WikimediaZA President.
>
>
> --
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 10:07:19 +0200
> From: Reuben Honigwachs 
> To: wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org
> Cc: Mailing list for African Wikimedians
> ,  Shupai Schnabel
> Mchuchu
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> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Introducing WikimediaZA Executive
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> A very welcome Shupai ☀ these are awesome news.
>
> To some great 2021! Reuben
>
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 at 23:24, Bobby Shabangu 
> wrote:
>
> > Good day all,
> >
> > Today I'm excited to announce that WikimediaZA has granted the position
> of
> > Executive Assistant to Shupai Muchuchu where among her role will be
> > stakeholder and community engagement.
> >
> > Shupai has a background in Dramatic Arts. She's done a lot of advocacy
> work
> > to raise awareness on issues of juvenile delinquency and
> > social rehabilitation through theatre workshops and dialogues in places
> > such as Pollsmoore and Goodwood correctional services. She's also worked
> > with a number of youth organisations supporting education in
> > disadvantaged communities.
> >
> > Kindly help me congratulate Shupai on her new role. We are looking
> forward
> > to working with her.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Bobby Shabangu
> >
> > WikimediaZA President.
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[Offline-l] WM chat

2020-08-31 Thread Michael Graaf
Hi all,
just letting you know that the Foundation is now hosting a Mattermost chat
server, which already has a "wiki-offline" channel. See
https://chat.wmcloud.org/signup_email

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Re: [Offline-l] Offline-l Digest, Vol 100, Issue 11

2020-06-28 Thread Michael Graaf
I support signing COOL!

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>1. Rebranding: please give your opinion NOW (Florence Devouard)
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> From: Florence Devouard 
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> Subject: [Offline-l] Rebranding: please give your opinion NOW
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> Hello all
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>
> Sj and I have discussed and decided the following.
>
>
> 1) We have decided that the offline wikimedians UG will not answer the
> WMF survey.
> Main argument is purely technical. Due to the complex design of the
> survey, we consider it too difficult to collect your collective opinions
> and draw relevant conclusions to inject into the survey.
> We could have made it simpler is filling a survey that would reflect Sj
> and I opinion, but we did not feel we should do that.
> So, if you want to provide your opinion and answer the WMF survey,
> please do so at the individual level (we strongly suggest you do)
> --->
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Naming_convention_proposals
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>
> 2) With regards to signing the COOL (Community Open Letter on renaming),
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> either "Yes, we should sign the letter"
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Re: [Wikimedia ZA] WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2020-06-25 Thread Michael Graaf
Thanks Peter,

let's always remember that "those who cannot or will not edit" for now
includes the majority of individual (as opposed to majority of
usage-incident) Wikipedia users who a) struggle with connectivity and b)
are probably non-hegemonic-language speakers even though they accept that
hegemonic-language WPs (currently English, French, German, Arabic, Spanish,
Mandarin) have the most useful reference resources.

That said, we do have a duty of care to emphasise that static/offline wikis
are a compromise and that editing by all should be a default position. Note
that offline resources offered by Kiwix can include WikiFundi which *is*
editable, although the issue of version control is thereby complicated.

Regards,

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> I am not an expert, but from what I understand it looks like a good thing
> for those who cannot or will not edit. It will not help build the
> encyclopaedias, but at least could make what exists more accessible.
> Cheers,
> Peter
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> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> I'm sharing with all of you a digest email from the "offline-l list" to
> which I subscribe since I believe it has two items of wider interest than
> the usual ones on that list.
>
> The first one concerns a new facility called Open ZIMfarm which automates
> the curation of offline archives of web material (not just wikis). I
> believe this is bringing a step-change in the possibilities of
> decentralised content hosting.
>
> The second describes the recent deployment of the Kiwix-serve application
> in a commercial telecoms network in West Africa (Kiwix stores and presents
> the very same ZIM files created by ZIMfarm). Given that the Wikimedia
> Foundation no longer funds zero-rating of its products, this represents a
> new way to bring content to people free of charge. Not only cellular
> networks but local-government-supported WiFi providers such as Project
> Isizwe as well as community-owned and -operated networks can do this.
>
> I will be interested to know the feelings of the community on these.
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>2. Re: [KIWIX] Our openZIM farm... (Emmanuel Engelhart)
>3. [AAR] Interesting online/offline use case across West Africa
>   (Stephane Coillet-Matillon)
>4. Re: [AAR] Interesting online/offline use case across West
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> Message: 1
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> Subject: Re: [Offline-l] [KIWIX]

[Wikimedia ZA] Fwd: Offline-l Digest, Vol 100, Issue 10

2020-06-24 Thread Michael Graaf
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 17:08:34 +0200
From: Stephane Coillet-Matillon 
To: Using Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki offline

Subject: [Offline-l] [AAR] Interesting online/offline use case across
WestAfrica
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Hello everyone,

We might as well keep this list rolling - it’s been an eventful couple of
months and there’s plenty to tell.

Just as COVID-19 lockdowns started to roll out across much of the world,
our good friends at Orange (the French Telco) reached out asking for us to
roll out Kiwix directly onto their West African network. So yes, here’s the
short story of us making offline available online (!)

Background
In a nutshell, it’s easier/faster for a telco to carry data on its own,
local network than it is to carry that same amount of data internationally.
It does make sense in hindsight, particularly if you think of the internets
as a series of tube.

Mission
They asked that we roll out Kiwix and a collection of ZIMs in Arabic,
French and English onto their Ivory Coast hub: Orange customers were to be
directed to a specific page[1] and would be offered the content at
zero-rating or special low rate (markets could chose their pricing model).
11 markets were selected for the operation (mostly sub-saharan Africa).

We rolled-out the whole thing in a few days using Kiwix-serve[2] - most of
the time needed was for them to secure a big-ass server and grant us root
access. It’s been running smoothly ever since - up to 100,000 users/month
at peak, which was nice. Contents deployed were Wikipedia, Khan Academy,
Wiktionary, Vikidia and a couple of video channels we also serve as ZIMs.

So what did we learn?
- Kiwix-serve is super easy to install, and can manage large loads robustly;
- Most demanded contents: Wikipedia and Khan Academy, then Wiktionary &
Gutenberg library;
- Information circulated around somehow: we’ve had users from 130 countries
so far (about 20-30% of total traffic), definitely not bots. A gentleman
from An-Najah university in Palestine even reached out asking that we
deploy the same thing on their local network.
- The URL that Orange set up was overly long, which probably impacted
adoption. We lobbied to get https://kiwix.orange (they own the TLD) but to
no avail :-/ There is also a huge difference between markets that
communicated on the initiative in a sustained manner (e.g. Liberia) and
those who did it as a one-off.

Cookie points
They made a simple but sweet video[3] - in French only but you’ll get the
idea.



[1] https://kiwix.campusafrica.gos.orange.com/ <
https://kiwix.campusafrica.gos.orange.com/>
[2] https://github.com/kiwix/kiwix-tools <
https://github.com/kiwix/kiwix-tools>
[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ug0XEFhByc <
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ug0XEFhByc>



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From: "Federico Leva (Nemo)" 
To: Using Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki offline
, Stephane Coillet-Matillon

Subject: Re: [Offline-l] [AAR] Interesting online/offline use case
across West Africa
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Stephane Coillet-Matillon, 24/06/20 18:08:
> We rolled-out the whole thing in a few days using Kiwix-serve[2] - most
of the time needed was for them to secure a big-ass server and grant us
root access. It’s been running smoothly ever since - up to 100,000
users/month at peak, which was nice. Contents deployed were Wikipedia, Khan
Academy, Wiktionary, Vikidia and a couple of video channels we also serve
as ZIMs.
>
> So what did we learn?
> - Kiwix-serve is super easy to install, and can manage large loads
robustly;

This is excellent!

I think it's good news for digital preservation purposes, too. When a
dynamic website is retired, in the future you can "just" archive it is a
static website in HTML and serve it with a proxy. Currently this is only
possible with WARC-proxy and I'm not aware of anyone using such
technologies at scale before this.

Also, compare to the cost of running the Wikipedia Zero initiative,
which needed a lot of software configuration in MediaWiki and Wikimedia
clusters. Serving a dump is not as good as serving dynamic content, but
being able to do it independently from Wikimedia Foundation is a giant plus.

> They made a simple but sweet video[3] - in French only but you’ll get the
idea.
> [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ug0XEFhByc

Cute.

Federico



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[Wikimedia ZA] Fwd: Education Digest, Vol 108, Issue 7

2020-05-26 Thread Michael Graaf
Hi all, see below. Those who are able to attend online events are welcome
at this one, a demo of a new feature in the Content Translation tool which
allows structural elements such as illustrations, infoboxes etc. to be
easily transferred from one wiki to another.

In other words the tool is no longer only for translation but also some
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This might be of interest to some Research and Education folks too.

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )


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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Language Showcase, May 2020
To: wikimedia-l 


Hello,

This is an announcement about a new installment of the Language Showcase, a
series of presentations about various aspects of language diversity and its
connection to Wikimedia Projects.

This new installment will deal with the latest design research about the
upcoming section translation feature for Content Translation.

This session is going to be broadcast over Zoom, and a recording will be
published for later viewing. You can also participate in the conversation
on IRC or with us on the Zoom meeting.

Please read below for the event details, including local time, joining
links and do let us know if you have any questions.

Thank you!

Amir

== Details ==

# Event: Language Showcase #5

# When: May 27, 2020 (Wednesday) at 13:00 UTC (check local time
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20200527T1300 )

# Where:

Join Zoom Meeting
https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/9708103

Meeting ID: 970 8103 

IRC - #wikimedia-office (on Freenode)

# Agenda:

The latest design research about the upcoming section translation feature
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Re: [African Wikimedians] African-Wikimedians Digest, Vol 12, Issue 24

2020-04-22 Thread Michael Graaf
Thanks all,

in response to Asaf's question, I considered interviewing selected editors
but abandoned the idea when I found that I would have to submit a research
plan to the ethics committee and then wait for clearance. I was in a hurry
(having switched to this topic only about 5 months before the deadline) and
this dissertation came at the end of a very long journey of coursework
interrupted by work years.

However, as Ian shows, I could have just run a query and shown that two
specific champions made the difference.

The fact that just two dedicated editors made such a difference to the fate
of a language's Wikipedia poses a challenge to us, to find/recruit and
nurture such people. I am hoping that the newly created post of
Wikipedian-in-Residence based in the UNDP's Pretoria office will increase
the chances of this happening.


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>2. Re: South Africa's Wikipedias (Asaf Bartov)
>3. Re: South Africa's Wikipedias (Ian Gilfillan)
>4. Re: South Africa's Wikipedias (Adjoa Linda Fletcher)
>5. Re: South Africa's Wikipedias (Sherry Antoine)
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> I hereby share my dissertation on the above topic in the hope that it may
> be of interest:
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> Thank you for sharing!
>
> Reading through it, with particular focus on the Findings chapter, I did
> not find an explanation of the relatively high growth of the Sepedi
> Wikipedia.  Your numbers suggest it is not primarily bot-driven.  Have you
> looked into what differentiates Sepedi from the other South African
> languages in terms of contribution?
>
>A.
>
> Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)
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> >
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Dear all,
I hereby share my dissertation on the above topic in the hope that it may
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https://open.uct.ac.za/bitstream/handle/11427/31291/thesis_sci_2019_graaf_michael.pdf?sequence=1=y

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[African Wikimedians] South Africa's Wikipedias

2020-04-21 Thread Michael Graaf
Dear all,
I hereby share my dissertation on the above topic in the hope that it may
be of interest:
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Re: [Wikimedia ZA] WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 103, Issue 4

2019-07-24 Thread Michael Graaf
Guidance from the collective please:

would this be suitable for distribution on a list of computer science
students?

Perhaps later if numbers don't come in?

Holding back for now.
-M.

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> Just a note that I shared the incorrect signup link yesterday.
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> Please sign up here:
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> town-tickets-65243471981
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> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:41 PM Adri Baard  wrote:
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> > Dear Wikimedia Member
> >
> > The Wikimedia Foundation which owns and supports Wikipedia, the free
> > online encyclopedia and the 5th biggest website in the world are working
> in
> > an effort to improve your Wikipedia experience.
> > They are doing this by involving readers and contributors of Wikipedia
> > through 9 key focus areas, these include:
> >
> >- Roles & Responsibilities
> >- Revenue Streams
> >- Resource Allocation
> >- Capacity Building
> >- Partnerships
> >- Diversity
> >- Product & Technology
> >- Community Health
> >- Advocacy
> >
> >
> > Over the next month students around the world will be getting together to
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> as
> > well.
> > (Read more here:
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> >
> > On Saturday 3 August, we'll be discussing how we can improve Wikipedia
> > through *Diversity* and *Capacity Building*.
> > We'll be starting at 10:00 at UCT's Hlanganani room and lunch will be
> > offered as well.
> >
> > If you are under the age of 35 and interested in contributing in the
> > future of Wikimedia, please click on the below link to RSVP by 29 July.
> > https://www.eventbrite.com/publish?crumb=5833467f8d5e3e=65243472984
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[Wikimedia ZA] Fwd: African linguistic diversity online campaign

2019-04-30 Thread Michael Graaf
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Date: Friday, April 26, 2019
Subject: African linguistic diversity online campaign
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Hi all,

this person was supposed to attend Wikimania '18 but was prevented by a
family emergency. Besides the activities he links to, I also know his name
in the context of the worldwide community telecoms network movement.

I'm forwarding this as a suggested agenda item for the next meeting.

Best,
M.

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Date: Friday, April 26, 2019
Subject: African linguistic diversity online campaign
To: Michael Graaf 


Hi Michael -  how are you? I wanted to share a new social media campaign
we’re co-organizing:

https://rising.globalvoices.org/blog/2019/03/18/celebrating-
african-linguistic-diversity-online-through-a-rotating-twitter-account/

Here is the campaign page:

https://rising.globalvoices.org/campaigns/twitter-digiafricanlang-2019/

I was reaching out to you for suggestions on African language
activists/advocates that might want to host for a week. We’re especially
looking for participants from Southern Africa if you have some thoughts.

We already have had some great participation from Ursula from Ghana who
shared her work on Wikipedia in Twi (https://rising.globalvoices.o
rg/blog/2019/04/09/meet-ursula-zage-the-host-of-the-digiafri
canlang-twitter-account-for-april-10-16/). But it’s not exclusively
Wikipedia, but promoting the use of African language on any digital
platforms through projects or initiatives.

I’d appreciate any suggestions or leads.

Thanks so much,

Eddie
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[Wikimedia ZA] Cape Town TV Datacast Hackathon: 27 April

2019-03-20 Thread Michael Graaf
Dear members,

you are cordially invited to participate in, and encouraged to publicise,
the abovementioned event (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cape_Town_TV_Datacast_Hackathon)

Substantial prizes are on offer and as it's a team event, not all members
of each team have to be proficient in programming; user experience testing
actually needs typical users!

Potential participants can either edit the page to name themselves or
contact me (Michael Graaf) via the talk page given there.

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Re: [Offline-l] Offline-l Digest, Vol 84, Issue 4

2018-12-24 Thread Michael Graaf
Greetings all,

One factor to be borne in mind is the "long tail" of the feature-phone.
This refers to the lingering presence in poorer populations of devices
which, while they may access certain internet services, do so via cellular
data, and are unable to connect to WiFi. I surmise that many potential
users of offline medical hotspots, in particular patients at remote
clinics, still have such phones.

But that's changing! The new generation of "smart feature phones" using KaiOS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS>does have WiFi access, and has already
taken off in India. Where I am, South Africa, will see its first KaiOS
phone in the next few months. So let's hang in, and let's try to get
suitable apps developed for these devices.

Regards,
M.

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[Wikimedia ZA] Fwd: Wikidata Digest, Vol 82, Issue 12

2018-09-17 Thread Michael Graaf
Greetings all,

I came across this on the Wikidata mailing list and believe it should be
shared here.

Regards,
M.

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   1. Participate in research to support Wikipedia editors
  (Lucie-Aimée Kaffee)


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Subject: [Wikidata] Participate in research to support Wikipedia
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Hello everyone,

We are PhD researchers at the University of Southampton working on
supporting underserved language communities in Wikipedia with the help of
Wikidata information.
We need your help! We work on generating text and want to understand how to
support editors when creating new articles. We are currently conducting a
series of interviews to understand the needs of the community better.
We are looking for editors of Wikipedia, that would be available to do said
interviews remotely (via google hangout or skype) in English. (The editing
will still be in your native language of course.) We focus on
under-resourced languages, meaning any but the top 5 Wikipedias in terms of
article and editor count.
It should take about 30 minutes of your time and would get us a better
insight into how to support small-language communities better.
The interviews will take place in the next two weeks. All of the data will
be anonymized.

Please find more information in the Participant Information Sheet:
https://github.com/luciekaffee/Announcements/blob/master/Interviews-
Participant-Information-Sheet.md

If you want to participate and help us improving access to Wikipedia for
under-resourced language communities, just send me an E-Mail at
kaf...@soton.ac.uk or sign up to be contacted here:
https://goo.gl/forms/gL9wPuYAt8zcpVbA3 You don’t need any prior experience
beside Wikipedia editing.

Looking forward to hearing from you!
Thanks,
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[Wikimedia ZA] Wikidata 6th birthday

2018-09-03 Thread Michael Graaf
Hi all,

some will be aware that Wikidata's birthday is approaching and there will
be events scattered across the globe. Reuben and I have been in touch with
Lea in Berlin to co-ordinate and have created this discussion
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Sixth_Birthday/Cape_Town_Meetup>.
At the moment the question is whether to incorporate this into the monthly
hackathon or hold a separate event. Carmen, one of the UCT librarians who
was at Wikimania, has offered to arrange a venue on campus if desired but
any other venue ideas are welcome (bearing in mind that the American Corner
is fussy about food & drink).

Regards,
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[Wikimedia ZA] Interesting theory of change

2018-08-27 Thread Michael Graaf
Hi all,

just sharing something interesting I came across
https://www.mcnulty.co.za/2016/04/mcnulty-consulting-theory-of-change-local-knowledge-in-local-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-277322

Comments?
-M.


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[Wikimedia ZA] Wikimania etc.

2018-07-20 Thread Michael Graaf
Dear all,

as many people have asked me to share the slides I and others presented at
Wikimania, and also as I represented Wikimedia-ZA at the Celtic Knot
conference, I am sharing the online doc where we workshopped before and
right up to the last minute:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aFY4uxHEHBeBIkoznzO3-TGAY3PI8XPo3Oh6RnVRWhI/edit?usp=sharing


I have also cc'd Kirsten whom I met at Wikimania who wishes to join
Wikimedia-ZA's email list please.

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[OSM-Talk-ZA] Talk-ZA Digest, Vol 190, Issue 1

2018-06-13 Thread Michael Graaf
Hi all,

pardon me for replying to the list rather than Kiana - I'm hoping I can
offer something of interest to several.

I have dabbled in OSM but am more active in Wikimedia which as some know,
is ever more interoperable with OSM. I'm one of the organisers of a
major Wikimedia
event <http://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/> in Cape Town in July and part
of the event is a 5-day hackathon where we would encourage OSM community
members to participate. Perhaps if there's enough response to Kiana's
appeal we could have an OSM meetup on the fringes of Wikimania.

Thanks,
Michael.

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> countries by adding data that will be advantageous for navigation software.
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> June. I am reaching out to active editors and trying to connect to see if
> anyone is located in South Africa. I would like to use this message to
> actively open up a line of communication about editing in South Africa with
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[Wikimedia ZA] Community Capacity Map

2018-04-20 Thread Michael Graaf
Dear ZAnians,

Greetings from Berlin. Douglas, Mpho and Coenraad are also here but so far
we've each been doing our own thing since there are several simultaneous
tracks in the conference. Here, I'm reporting on something that only I
attended, but which (I think) requires the attention of the chapter, namely
the Community Capacity Map
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Capacity_Map#Community_Capacity_Map>
(CCM).

You'll see it's not a geographical map but a table which lists the
capacities of affiliates.While the presenter was clear that there is no
requirement that affiliates fill in all (or even any) of the categories, in
his presentation of the purpose of the CCM it was obvious to me that we as
a chapter stand to benefit - since the ever-growing staff of the Wikimedia
Foundation will use the map as one of their tools in deciding where to
allocate support.

You may also notice that I experimentally started a row for Wikimedia-ZA
but I now feel I should consult the collective on the process for going
forward. The template used takes some getting used to. Quite possibly in
future the information will be displayed in a more intuitive way - perhaps
even a real map. But I think we should submit it so long.

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Re: [Wikimedia ZA] WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 82, Issue 7

2017-10-30 Thread Michael Graaf
Dear all,

My sincere retroactive apology. I meant to be there but stuff happened!

- Michael.

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Re: [Wikimedia ZA] WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 79, Issue 1

2017-07-03 Thread Michael Graaf
Hi Douglas,

I'm unable to become an ongoing champion of this in any way but I
immediately thought of the Science Education Centre in Salt River. I don't
know anyone there - I just walk past every now &* then. I'd be willing to
reach out to them, would you (or anyone else) be interested in joining?
-M

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> Ivo Kruusamägi, the organiser of the Wiki Science Competition
> <http://www.wikisciencecompetition.org/> internationally (it will take
> place in November 2017), would like to know if anyone in South Africa is
> interested in heading up the organisation of the competition in South
> Africa? If you are interested then please let me know.
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> Best regards,
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> Hi!
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> Science photo competition is coming again in this November: http://www.
> wikisciencecompetition.org/
>
> Based on the last competition in 2015 it's reasonable to assume that there
> could be ca 10 000 participants and over 50 000 submissions this time. But
> to really pull that off, there's a need to find enough local organizers who
> would take care of local country-based sub-competitions.
>
> The task is relatively simple: there has to be someone, who would promote
> the competition locally and set up a jury to select the local winners.
>
> Any interest in Wikimedia South Africa about organizing this competition?
>
> Regards
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Re: [African Wikimedians] African-Wikimedians Digest, Vol 9, Issue 37

2017-02-19 Thread Michael Graaf
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> >> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmaa_Mahfouz
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> version of the [[Asmaa Mahfouz]] article using the very good Arabic
> version. Please help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmaa_Mahfouz
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 20:22:01 +0200
> From: Ahmed Mohi El Din <ah.ha...@wikimedia-eg.org <javascript:;>>
> To: Florence <anth...@anthere.org <javascript:;>>, Mailing
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> speaker
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> Hello Florence,
>
> I got your message on Wikimedia Egypt page and I'll start work on it.
>
> Thank you for your kind reminder.
>
> Regards
>
> Ahmed El ArosiOn Feb 15, 2017 7:56 PM, Florence Devouard <
> anth...@anthere.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > Looking for an Arabic/English speaker to help improve the English
> > version of the [[Asmaa Mahfouz]] article using the very good Arabic
> > version. Please help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmaa_Mahfouz
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 01:12:06 +0100
> From: Florence Devouard <anth...@anthere.org <javascript:;>>
> To: Mailing list for African Wikimedians
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> Thanks Ahmed !!!
>
> On a side note, here is the status of the translation meta page :
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/16_African_Women_Translate-a-thon
>
> Hope you can find the new research data useful...
>
>
> Flo
>
> Le 15/02/2017 à 19:22, Ahmed Mohi El Din a écrit :
> > Hello Florence,
> >
> > I got your message on Wikimedia Egypt page and I'll start work on it.
> >
> > Thank you for your kind reminder.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Ahmed El ArosiOn Feb 15, 2017 7:56 PM, Florence Devouard <
> anth...@anthere.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> Looking for an Arabic/English speaker to help improve the English
> >> version of the [[Asmaa Mahfouz]] article using the very good Arabic
> >> version. Please help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmaa_Mahfouz
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[OSM-Talk-ZA] More on hotspots

2016-07-07 Thread Michael Graaf
Hi all,
In response to my request yesterday:













*I write on behalf of a team preparing to create an app (free as in beer
aswell as in speech) which will help users find WiFi hotspots and also
reviewthem or report new ones. We already have some data-sets which appear
to bepublic-domain, but these things keep changing hence our intention to
havereal-time crowdsourcing.Initially we thought of using both Google Maps
and OSM but on closerinvestigation, discovered that above a minimal level
of use, Google APIcosts some dollars, so we discarded that idea.None of us
has done this kind of thing before so we are hoping for guidanceand
assistance. I found your addresses in the OSM Import Guidelines page.*
I got the following reply from Greg Troxel (reprinted with permission):

"Presumably you have seen
  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:internet_access
and the rejected proprosal

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/WiFi_Zone/Hotspot=868868

"It's good that you are thinking about licensing from the beginning.

"The standard opinion in OSM is that reviews don't belong in the
database.  But public hotspots seem to be viewed as appropriate.
"Google Maps also tends to allow only tile viewing, not access to vector
data.

"The big problem with users editing data is ensuring that the edits are
aligned with existing data.  For people who learn to use the editing
tools and look at the whole db near the hotspot, this works, but it's a
huge barrier to entry.  The other extreme is a "add this hotspot" button
in an app that takes lat/lon and hotspot info and just adds a node to
OSM without checking if it's there - which of course isn't ok.  In
between there is some degree of looking for existing nearish hotspots
and verifying if the new one is the same or not, and doing that as
automatically as possible while causing acceptably little trouble.  This
is going to be the hard part of your project technically.

"I can see two approaches to what you want to do.  One option is to make
a database of hotspots separate from OSM, with lat/lon for each.  Or
perhaps also a reference to an object in OSM.  Then you can display that
on an OSM basemap.  The db could have information about ssid, bssid,
channel, etc., which is beyond what probably belongs in OSM.
editing the db is really just about making sure there isn't an existing
object for the hotspot.  Avoiding dups should be relatively easy.

"The other is to maintain the main data for a hotspot in OSM, adding the
internet_access=wlan tag to (probably) an existing object.  Again you
may wish to maintain some data that is too detailed for OSM, and
associate that with the OSM object.  This has the advantage that changes
by OSM editors are reflected in your app's data, and your app's edits
will help others.  You will need to ensure that contributions from your
user's meet the Contributor Terms, both in not violating existing rights
and granting adequate rights.  One approach might be that the app only
adds hotspots it is observing, so the users have first-party data, and
to get them to agree that contributions are PD.

"With this second approach, the hard part will be to find the right
object in OSM to modify, but if the facility with the wifi is mapped,
that may be easy as multiple choice of nearby, and if not, adding a node
with just the internet_access=wlan tag is arguably reasonable.

"You are writing to imports, but to me the user-contributed data does not
feel like an import.  It's a different kind of change to the OSM db that
needs extra scrutiny (the structure, not each edit), though.

"You mention an existing database.  The import norms (see the wiki) are
that you post the actual data, the license, scripts to transform it to
OSM changesets, and all other info about what you are proposing to do.
Pay extra attention to how hotspot info will be merged into existing OSM
objects, so tha the resulting data is no messier than humans would
create.

"An alternative is to have the app search the union of OSM and the other
datasets, and to offer to upload a point to OSM, with human choosing
help, when the user is actually observing it."

My reply: Yes, the person who directed us to OSM gave us the tag Greg
supplied. Also, I'd gathered that a tag for a mere network area was
unavailable, but our datasets have names of coffeeshops etc.

Concerning the issue of reviews and quality control, we have considered
some sort of multi-stage process of verification. But it's all in the air;
Greg's comments are helpful.

I hereby invite further input from ZA.

Thanks,
Michael.
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[Imports] WiFi Hotspots in SA

2016-07-06 Thread Michael Graaf
Greetings all,

I write on behalf of a team preparing to create an app (free as in beer as
well as in speech) which will help users find WiFi hotspots and also review
them or report new ones. We already have some data-sets which appear to be
public-domain, but these things keep changing hence our intention to have
real-time crowdsourcing.

Initially we thought of using both Google Maps and OSM but on closer
investigation, discovered that above a minimal level of use, Google API
costs some dollars, so we discarded that idea.

None of us has done this kind of thing before so we are hoping for guidance
and assistance. I found your addresses in the OSM Import Guidelines page.

yours in anticipation,

Michael Graaf.
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[OSM-Talk-ZA] Fwd: WiFi Hotspots in SA

2016-07-06 Thread Michael Graaf
-- Forwarded message --
From: *Michael Graaf* <graaf.mich...@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2016
Subject: WiFi Hotspots in SA
To: "impo...@openstreetmap.org" <impo...@openstreetmap.org>,
talk...@openstreetmaps.org


Greetings all,

I write on behalf of a team preparing to create an app (free as in beer as
well as in speech) which will help users find WiFi hotspots and also review
them or report new ones. We already have some data-sets which appear to be
public-domain, but these things keep changing hence our intention to have
real-time crowdsourcing.

Initially we thought of using both Google Maps and OSM but on closer
investigation, discovered that above a minimal level of use, Google API
costs some dollars, so we discarded that idea.

None of us has done this kind of thing before so we are hoping for guidance
and assistance. I found your addresses in the OSM Import Guidelines page.

yours in anticipation,

Michael Graaf.
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[Wikimedia ZA] TED/Wikimedia collaboration

2016-04-23 Thread Michael Graaf
FYI

https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/04/22/ted-wikimedia-collaboration/
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[Dorset] Ubuntu ARM Netbook

2011-12-06 Thread Michael Graaf

Greetings from a lurking ex-transitional-Dorsetian now in S.A.

Noticing a flurry of netbook-related content in your list I decided to 
share a review I wrote for the ubuntu-za list, of the abovementioned 
device (attached).


Regards,
Michael.
Tech news followers will be aware that the ARM processor architecture, the 
staple of the smartphone industry, is poised to invade the laptop and server 
sectors, largely due to its energy efficiency. Vodacom SA recently made news by 
releasing an Ubuntu-powered ARM netbook under their brand for just R1500. 
Impressively, they sell it without any commitment to other purchases such as 
data. Spurred by the theft of my previous workhorse, I took a chance on one.

Purchase required a pre-order of a few days, and Vodacom sales staff were 
totally unprepared for any complications: my machine needed some switch flicked 
behind the battery before it would boot, and it took them days on the phone and 
me much petrol to sort that. My complaints were soothed with gold-toothed 
smiles and free Vodacom pens and rulers.

First off, the Webbook is certainly energy-efficient, not producing enough 
heat to need a fan, therefore being free of grilles other than a speaker area. 
Its underside is utterly sleek; no RAM covers or the like (it's specced at 
512Mb but could probably be pimped by removing the whole shell). The fact that 
it has no hard drive also helps: it features a 4 Gig SSD - rather small but 
twice that of the first netbook's (the venerable EeePC, which 4 years ago, cost 
twice as much). With a modest 3-cell battery, the device is 1kg and could 
presumably survive falls that would doom most computers. The 6-hour battery 
life claim is fulfilled even using WiFi. 

However, there's no escaping the fact that this is an entry-level device. 
Processor speed is stated as 800MHz, although I find it no slower than my Eee, 
which was rated 1,2 GHz (Intel Celeron). The ARM-ported version of Ubuntu 10.04 
comes with Firefox 5, which I haven't upgraded since the Mozilla site, 
detecting a mobile, refers me to the Android Market. I therefore seem to be 
stuck with occasional unresponsive scripts which slow the machine to a crawl. 
Facebook is the worst culprit. Normal browsing involves only a slight lag, 
unless there is any other process under way, such as software installation, 
when it becomes tiresomely slow.

I was curious about whether Ubuntu's applications would make the transition to 
the ARM-port universe. They seem to, but a third-party accessory, Ubuntu Tweak, 
seems not to (I am using the GNOME desktop option, while waiting for Unity to 
become more tweakable). However, after installing GIMP I haven't tried it on 
actual work, after seeing the Webbook's tendency to slow to a crawl. I have an 
un-networked machine I can use for serious image processing. Which brings me to 
the fact that the Webbook has only 2 USB ports. If one regularly used a dongle 
and mouse, an external hub would be required to swap files etc. Well, you get 
what you pay for.

Although proudly sporting an Ubuntu Certified sticker, the device fails to 
wake properly from Suspend when selected onscreen. The solution is to suspend 
by closing the lid.

In sum: if you're stuck for a computer and hard up, you could do worse; if you 
want something highly mobile, rugged, and not too much of a loss if stolen, 
this could be a good addition to your gear.
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Re: [TOS] tos Digest, Vol 30, Issue 2

2011-08-05 Thread Michael Graaf
Dear list,

 Matt Jadud wrote:
 
 I'd appreciate it if someone in the crowd could give it a listen---perhaps, 
 even, Grant
 Hearn, who is the interviewee---and let me know if it sounds
 reasonable.

As a participant in the same POSSE as Grant, I was pleased to hear the
progress he has made afterwards. For myself I am still trying to finish
a dissertation... :)

So, thanks Matt. Keep up the good work, and looking forwards to other
episodes.

Regards,
Michael.

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