Anti-depressants
I was just wondering what the right attitude towards anti-depressants should be in light of the passages from the Writings which say that hardships/suffering are a good thing. By taking anti-depressants when depressed one is obviously making things easier for themself. If one doesn't take anti-depressants they would have more hardship, which is said to lead to more character development. So what to do? Let yourself suffer? In the Writings it says that God never burdens a soul beyond their capacity. Does this mean with or without medical assistance? David The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. _ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
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are Bahais allowed to sue?
Dear friends, I have a question. Are Bahais allowed to sue in medical malpractice cases. For example am I allowed to sue and say i got sick from too many Xrays it is not me but a friend just gathering facts many prayers Please say some prayers for my son DAvid Kurmmenacker as he flies to Switzerland today thank you so much The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: are Bahais allowed to sue?
At 7:23 -0600 7/2/05, marylou9 wrote: Dear friends, I have a question. Are Bahais allowed to sue in medical malpractice cases. For example am I allowed to sue and say i got sick from too many Xrays So far as I know. The only restriction I am familiar with is a request that Baha'is should take problems with other Baha'is to the Spiritual Assembly. In the case of malpractice, just remember that it has to be proven that the illness must was a direct result of the treatment and that the physician was negligent in his application of the treatment. This can be difficult and expensive to prove. Don C -- He who believes himself spiritual proves he is not. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Anti-depressants
At 9:35 + 7/2/05, David Friedman wrote: I was just wondering what the right attitude towards anti-depressants should be in light of the passages from the Writings which say that hardships/suffering are a good thing. By taking anti-depressants when depressed one is obviously making things easier for themself. If one doesn't take anti-depressants they would have more hardship, which is said to lead to more character development. So what to do? Let yourself suffer? In the Writings it says that God never burdens a soul beyond their capacity. Does this mean with or without medical assistance? This is a complex topic. I don't think there is any doubt that mood altering drugs are over-prescribed. However they have a role to play, especially in crisis intervention. The problem arises when a doctor finds it easier (and more profitaable?) to prescribe a pill for extended periods rather than help the patient deal with the problem that caused the depression. At the same time, there are a lot of people who feel they should not have to put up with occasional 'down' spells. They immediately go to their doctor and insist on a pill to make them feel 'normal'. Don C -- He who believes himself spiritual proves he is not. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: are Bahais allowed to sue?
Bahais are entitled to pursue civil litigation for justice and compensation like anyone else. Marleen marylou9 wrote: Are Bahais allowed to sue in medical malpractice cases? The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Anti-depressants
Was this question prompted by the ridiculous rant of Tom Cruise? David Friedman wrote: I was just wondering what the right attitude towards anti-depressants should be in light of the passages from the Writings which say that hardships/suffering are a good thing. There are two ways of healing sickness, material means and spiritual means. The first is by the use of remedies, of medicines; the second consists in praying to God and in turning to Him. Both means should be used and practiced (Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 375). By taking anti-depressants when depressed one is obviously making things easier for themself. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Anti-depressants are rarely the cure-all that most people imagine; for some they are ineffective or only minimally efficacious. There are certainly different degrees and etiologies of depression, but for severe depression anti-depressants are usually necessary and may not make things easier, only bearable. If one doesn't take anti-depressants they would have more hardship, which is said to lead to more character development. So what to do? Let yourself suffer? Depression can be bad enough without doing nothing, which could needlessly compound suffering and make things even worse. In the Writings it says that God never burdens a soul beyond their capacity. Does this mean with or without medical assistance? With medical assistance. Why else would Baha'u'llah recommend consulting competent medical professionals when ill? To consult competent physicians when ill (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 161). Marleen The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Anti-depressants
Don Calkins wrote: The problem arises when a doctor finds it easier (and more profitaable?) to prescribe a pill for extended periods rather than help the patient deal with the problem that caused the depression. First, physicians can generate higher fees for the time involved with therapy versus the few minutes it takes to write a prescription. Other than psychiatrists, most physicians have little or no training in therapy and cannot make time for it in a busy practice. Second, some depressions are caused by neurochemical or hormone imbalances and not external problems. At the same time, there are a lot of people who feel they should not have to put up with occasional 'down' spells. They immediately go to their doctor and insist on a pill to make them feel 'normal'. Antidepressants do not work that way; it may be weeks before the patient notices any beneficial effect. Marleen The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: Anti-depressants
David Friedman wrote: I was just wondering what the right attitude towards anti-depressants should be in light of the passages from the Writings which say that hardships/suffering are a good thing...In the Writings it says that God never burdens a soul beyond their capacity. Does this mean with or without medical assistance? I think there are a variety of ways in which suffering may be a positive, and because suffering is both such a universal experience and at the same time such an obstacle to clear-thinking when we're going through it, most holy Writings make a point of assuring us that we may well rejoice at suffering. An analogy from the Old Testament is that of the crucible, where rough ore is melted and prepared for the anvil, which ultimately leads to a product of great utility or beauty. If the rock was told beforehand to rejoice because of the suffering he must undergo in the hands of the smith in order to become an object of great value, he might or might not remain philosophical during the process; but in retrospect, from his new perspective as a piece of jewelry or sword blade or whatever, he might indeed see it as a positive experience. Having said that, it makes perfect sense to seek whatever legitimate help works best in treating conditions which may actually be biochemical in origin. I don't think the point of the passages on suffering is that it is improper to seek to alleviate suffering either in others or in ourselves. I think the point is to understand that suffering in one form or another is a constant on the material plane and that it is challenging. Dave L. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Anti-depressants
As I understand it, and having tried them, anti-depressants work so slowly they don't qualify to be classed as mood altering. I don't think there is any doubt that mood altering drugs are over-prescribed. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 7/1/05 The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Anti-depressants
Dear David,
We need to make a distinction between grief or sadness and clinical depression. The latter is a medical condition which can rarely be remedied without treatment. In those cases we are not only permitted but required to seek the best medical treatment available. I recall a letter written on behalf of the Guardian where he urged a Baha'i to continue with what appears to be electro-shock therapy as the best treatment then available even though he admitted it was far from ideal.
warmest, Susan
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