RE: Speed of light in Quran?
Qur'an 32:5 testifies to the progressive revelation of God to mankind through His Manifestations Who appear nearly once every 1000 years. | |http://www.geocities.com/speed_of_light_quran/ | |http://www.speed-light.info/angels_speed_of_light.htm | |http://www.islamicity.com/Science/960703A.SHTML | |They are referring to some verses in Holy Quran and try to |prove that based |on these verses the speed of light could be calculated to the |exact figure. |I would like to hear your opinion and what you think of such claims. | The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: Speed of Light
May I request Dr. Khazeh Fannanapazir and other friends in this forum to shed some light onto the verse of Quran and the conclusion that this Egyptian scholar is trying to prove. Dear Firouz, Now that my sides have stopped hurting perhaps I can take your question a little more seriously. I think what our Egyptian 'scholar' has done is rather typical of some of the differences between Evangelical Christians and Muslims in their approach to the relationship between science and religion. Evangelical Christians tend to want to make science fit the scriptures, and therefore they tend to reject scientific discoveries which contradict scripture. Muslims, on the other hand, tend to want to read the discoveries of modern science into the Qur'an often coming up with absurd interpretations of scripture in the process. I think examples such as this should serve as a warning about what happens when we don't make a proper distinction between the different functions science and religion are meant to serve. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Speed of Light
Personally, I don't think I would say it is a Christian thing v. a Muslim thing. Many Muslims from certain backgrounds are still dealing with the effects of colonialism and Western science and technology. I think that coming out of a situation like that, it would make sense that they would find attractive the general idea that amazing bits of scientific knowledge were at the fingertips of their ancestors 1400 years ago. Actually the Friday sermon today was actually in part about that (specifically the way that information about fetal development is found in the Quran). But I've seen Christians engage in similar techniqes to try to argue that relativity or atomic science etc. is found in the Bible. By the same token, there are both Christians and Muslims who believe in something like creation science. On the other hand, it is kind of interesting that the number you get from the proposed calculation actually is sort of close to the speed of light. -Gilberto On 11/18/05, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I request Dr. Khazeh Fannanapazir and other friends in this forum to shed some light onto the verse of Quran and the conclusion that this Egyptian scholar is trying to prove. Dear Firouz, Now that my sides have stopped hurting perhaps I can take your question a little more seriously. I think what our Egyptian 'scholar' has done is rather typical of some of the differences between Evangelical Christians and Muslims in their approach to the relationship between science and religion. Evangelical Christians tend to want to make science fit the scriptures, and therefore they tend to reject scientific discoveries which contradict scripture. Muslims, on the other hand, tend to want to read the discoveries of modern science into the Qur'an often coming up with absurd interpretations of scripture in the process. I think examples such as this should serve as a warning about what happens when we don't make a proper distinction between the different functions science and religion are meant to serve. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu -- There are no poets __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Speed of light in Quran?
A quick calculation suggests that the magnitude is very consistent with the speed of light, but the resulting units make no sense at all, suggesting that it may only be a coincidence. Diameter of the earth = 7926//2 = 3963 miles radius Diameter of the moon = 2260/2 = 1130 miles radius Distance from the earth to the moon = 238,000 miles Radius of the circle which the moon travels around the earth = 3963 + 1130 + 238,000 = 243,093 miles Circumference of the moon's orbit around the earth = 2 x 3.14 x 243,093 = 1,526,624 miles/month 12 months/year x 1000 years = 12,000 months 12,000 months x 1,526,624 miles/month = 1.832 x10^10 miles (the moon would travel in 1000 years) 1,526, 624 miles/month / 27.3 days/lunar month = 55920.3 miles/day (the moon would travel) 1.832 x 10^10 miles / 55920.3 miles/day = 327,600 (but the miles cancel out and the units make no sense) The speed of light is 186,000 miles/sec or 300,000 km/sec. I am on my way out of town and will have to consider this later, Marleen Firouz wrote: Dear friends, I am sorry to bring this question about Quran and Islam to this Baha'i Studies List. I would really appreciate if Dr. Khazeh Fannanapazir or other friends could shed some lights to the claim of these web pages as follows: http://www.geocities.com/speed_of_light_quran/ http://www.speed-light.info/angels_speed_of_light.htm http://www.islamicity.com/Science/960703A.SHTML They are referring to some verses in Holy Quran and try to prove that based on these verses the speed of light could be calculated to the exact figure. I would like to hear your opinion and what you think of such claims. Best regards, Firouz The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Sign of God on Earth
As already posted, the Master uses the term Sign of God once in His Will and Testament, to show the station of Shoghi Effendi. In the original, Sign of God is ayat Allah, generally written in the West as Ayatollah. Yes, one more beautiful Arabic word hijacked by extremists, along with Party of God, a term the Master uses in the Tablets of the Divine Plan (Hizb'u'llah now generally transliterated Hezbollah) among others. Hmm. Now I can't find that phrase in those Tablets. Is my memory playing tricks on me? The Master did not use the term Sign of God on earth. On earth has been used by the Hands of the Cause and by the Universal House of Justice. Brent The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: Speed of light in Quran?
I forwarded this post to my son, Neil, who loves physics. This was his response: *laughs*. And God loses points for mathematically accuracy. Even if you do the calculation as they spell it out, it's still off by a little more than 60 million meters per second. (which isn't as much as it sounds, since the speed of light is about 300 million meters per second. But still). Plus... For that passage to make any sense, someone would have to be measuring not just time but DISTANCES based on the speed of the moon. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: Speed of Light
By the same token, there are both Christians and Muslims who believe in something like creation science. Dear Gilberto, I've known more Muslim who try and read evolution into the Qur'an rather than argue for creationism. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Speed of light in Quran?
It was a quick calculation for fun; I am glad he enjoyed it. Obviously, this doesn't make sense, which is what I showed. By the way, I pointed out the speed as 300,000 km/sec, which is equivalent to 300 million meters per second and distance and speed are related by the lunar month of 27.3 days. Marleen Susan Maneck wrote: I forwarded this post to my son, Neil, who loves physics. This was his response: *laughs*. And God loses points for mathematically accuracy. Even if you do the calculation as they spell it out, it's still off by a little more than 60 million meters per second. (which isn't as much as it sounds, since the speed of light is about 300 million meters per second. But still). Plus... For that passage to make any sense, someone would have to be measuring not just time but DISTANCES based on the speed of the moon. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Sign of God on Earth
Dear Brent,
In response to your self-questioning: "...Party of God, a term the Master
uses in the Tablets of the Divine Plan (Hizb'u'llah now generally transliterated
Hezbollah) among others. Hmm. Now I can't find that phrase in those
Tablets. Is my memory playing tricks on me?
Could this be what you were thinking of ?
"Now California and the other Western States must earn an
ideal similarity with the Holy Land, and from that state and that region the
breaths of the Holy Spirit be diffused to all parts of America and Europe, that
the call of the Kingdom of God may exhilarate and rejoice all the ears, the
divine principles bestow a new life, the different parties may become one party,
the divergent ideas may disappear and revolve around one unique center, the East
and the West of America may embrace each other, the anthem of the oneness of the
world of humanity may confer a new life upon all the children of men, ..."
(Abdu'l-Baha, Tablets of the Divine Plan, p.
86)
Lovingly, Sandra
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Re: Speed of light in Quran?
On 11/18/05, M Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A quick calculation suggests that the magnitude is very consistent with the speed of light, but the resulting units make no sense at all, suggesting that it may only be a coincidence. It's not so much that they don't make sense. It's more a matter of applying and understanding them correctly. It isn't necessarily helped by the fact that the article included ALOT of extraneous information. Just as light-year (the distance light travels in a year) measures distance and not time, imagine a moon-year (the distance travelled by the moon in a lunar year) is similarly a measure of distance. And then the claim becomes that the speed of light is roughly a thousand moon-years per day. -Gilberto Diameter of the earth = 7926//2 = 3963 miles radius Diameter of the moon = 2260/2 = 1130 miles radius Distance from the earth to the moon = 238,000 miles Radius of the circle which the moon travels around the earth = 3963 + 1130 + 238,000 = 243,093 miles Circumference of the moon's orbit around the earth = 2 x 3.14 x 243,093 = 1,526,624 miles/month 12 months/year x 1000 years = 12,000 months 12,000 months x 1,526,624 miles/month = 1.832 x10^10 miles (the moon would travel in 1000 years) 1,526, 624 miles/month / 27.3 days/lunar month = 55920.3 miles/day (the moon would travel) 1.832 x 10^10 miles / 55920.3 miles/day = 327,600 (but the miles cancel out and the units make no sense) The speed of light is 186,000 miles/sec or 300,000 km/sec. I am on my way out of town and will have to consider this later, Marleen Firouz wrote: Dear friends, I am sorry to bring this question about Quran and Islam to this Baha'i Studies List. I would really appreciate if Dr. Khazeh Fannanapazir or other friends could shed some lights to the claim of these web pages as follows: http://www.geocities.com/speed_of_light_quran/ http://www.speed-light.info/angels_speed_of_light.htm http://www.islamicity.com/Science/960703A.SHTML They are referring to some verses in Holy Quran and try to prove that based on these verses the speed of light could be calculated to the exact figure. I would like to hear your opinion and what you think of such claims. Best regards, Firouz The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu -- There are no poets __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public -
RE: Speed of Light
Hasan Elias:
Thank Firouz for the information, I
found it very interesting.
Dear Hasan,
But do you agree with such an
interpretation of Quran to prove that speed of light is indirectly mentioned in
this holy book, or similar claims from other holy scriptures?
Regards,
Firouz
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RE: Speed of Light
Firouz [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi:Dear Hasan,But do you agree with such an interpretation of Quran to prove that speed of light is indirectly mentioned in this holy book, or similar claims from other holy scriptures?Regards, Firouz Hi Firouz,No, I dont agree a!
t all; it
seems more an opportunistic coincidence rather than an explicit Qurans message. But after all, it's an interesting coincidence . It is not the case of Bahullhs explicit words in Gleanings about the existence of creatures in other planets when He says: Know thou that every fixed star hath its own planets, and every planet its own creatures, whose number no man can compute.
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RE: Speed of Light
Firouz [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi:Dear Hasan,But do you agree with such an interpretation of Quran to prove that speed of light is indirectly mentioned in this holy book, or similar claims from other holy scriptures?Regards, Firouz***Dear Firouz, Why do you surprise that Holy Books treat these matters (science)?At least (there are much more examples), I know that Holy Quran talk about the motion of translation and rotation of earth and Bah writings talk about another creatures in other planets, this quote of the Guardian asserts it:"Regarding the passage on p. 163 of the 'Gleanings'; the creatures which Bah'u'llh states to be found in every planet cannot be considered to be necessarily similar or different from human beings on this earth. Bah!
'u'llh
does not specifically state whether such creatures are like or unlike us. He simply refers to the fact that there are creatures in every planet. It remains for science to discover one day the exact nature of these creatures." (From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, February 9, 1937) 479 (Compilations, Lights of Guidance, p. 478)
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RE: Speed of Light
May I request Dr. Khazeh and other friends in this forum
to shed some light onto the verse of Quran and the conclusion that this Egyptian
scholar is trying to prove.
Best regards,
Firouz
Dear Firuz
Anaraki
my dear
brother
i was away from my
PC so i did not see your letter until today [Saturday]. I saw that some of my
dear brothers whom i have very very much missed [Gliberto Simpson and Max
Jasper] have already replied, and Hasan, and Susan and Marleen have
replied.
Dear Firuz i am a
lowly fallible medical doctor [not with any knowledge of Physics at all]. But it
is kind of you to start an interesting thread.
The Divine Holy
Books have incredibly vast nuances, predictions, significances, and mysteries,
and truths. The Holy Qur'an has so many truths, significances, precious gems,
and pearls. There are prophecies that many of these pearls and gems will be
discovered, unravelled, and revealed in the Day of
Baha'u'llah.
If you kindly
re-visit the section in the Sacred Iqan on the "City of God" this is mentioned
by the Divine Pen there.
But in respect of
the verse 32:5
**Yudabbiru al-AMRa mina alssama-i ila al-ardi thumma yaAAruju
ilayhi fee yawmin kana miqdaruhu alfa sanatin mimma taAAuddoona
**
He directs the AFFAIR from heaven to earth,
then it goes up to Him in one day, whose measure is a thousand years of your
counting.
This verse is a reference to wonderful Dispensation of Islam. AMR
is the Cause, the Affair, the Ordinance.
260 years were the number of the years of Its Revelation and
Elucidation by the Holy Prophet and the Imams [the last one passed away in 260
AH].
Then the Cause "goes up" [=thumma yaAAruju] ] ascends in the process of
Progressive Revelation until the year 1260 AH [=1844] the Dawn of the Day of
Fulfilment.
The reason this approach makes sense is that in a
similar verse wherein **Yudabbiru
al-AMRa** is revaeled by God, He, exalted be His Glory, states that its purpose
is that ye may be certain of attaining the Divine Presence =the Liqaa
Allah
***yudabbiru al-amra
yufassilu al-ayati laAAallakum biliqa-i rabbikum
tooqinoona *** 13:2
He directs the AFFAIR; He distinguishes the
signs; haply you will have faith in the encounter with your Lord.
In the verse 32:5 [which was offered as
light velocity etc] we must not forget ever that the WORD AMR was
used.
Amr refers here to the Revelation [not so
much literally to the light].
Recall for example the verse wherein God
says to the Prophet Muh.ammad that He [the Prophet Muh.ammad was not there when
"We revealed to Moses the AMR]
And thou (O Muhammad) wast not on the
western side (of the Mount) when We expounded unto Moses the AMR, and thou wast
not among those present;
Wama kunta bijanibi algharbiyyi ith
qadayna ila moosa al-AMRa wama kunta mina alshshahideena
and finally AMR being part of God's
Promise
They say: "When will this promise
(come to pass) if ye are telling the truth?"
Wayaqooloona mata hatha alwaAAdu in kuntum
sadiqeena
Say: "The appointment to you is for a Day,
which ye cannot put back for an hour nor put forward." [34:29-30]
Qul lakum meeAAadu yawmin la tasta/khiroona
AAanhu saAAatan wala tastaqdimoona
And they will bid thee to hasten the
chastisement. But God cannot fail His threat. And verily, a DAY with thy Lord is
as a thousand years, as ye reckon them!
22:47
So i beg you to consider this other perspective, namely that 32:5
is about this Day, that AMR is more to do with the Divine Revelatory Process as
the AMR in relation to Moses, and that even light [nur] how much so ever
marvellous it is bows to the Light of the Manifestations of God, to Baha'u'llah,
the Quintessence of Light.
Assuredly the visible sun is but a sign of the
splendour of that Day-star of Truth, that Sun Which can never have a peer, a
likeness, or rival(Baha'u'llah: The Kitab-i-Iqan, Page:
34)***
when He, Who is the Quintessence of truth, the inmost Reality
of all things, the Source of all light, is made manifest, they cling unto
certain passages of the Book, and inflict upon Him that which was inflicted in
the Dispensation of the Qur'an.(Baha'u'llah: The Kitab-i-Iqan,
Page: 92)
Consider, that even the year in which that Quintessence of
Light is to be made manifest hath been specifically recorded in the
traditions, yet they still remain unmindful, nor do they for one moment cease to
pursue their selfish desires. According to the tradition, Mufaddal asked
Sadiq saying: "What of the sign of His manifestation, O my master?"
He made reply: "In the year sixty, His Cause shall be made manifest, and
His Name shall be proclaimed."(Baha'u'llah: The Kitab-i-Iqan,
Pages: 253-254)
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RE: Speed of Light
That's not surprising. After all the Quran says that man was created in stages. Even passages in Rumi are sometimes used to refer to evolution. But that still doesn't mean that there aren't alot of people on both sides. Dear Gilberto, Yes, I think there is more justification for that. At the same time I can't help but feel that both sides are trying to make religion do what really is the job of science. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
