Re: State of FreeCalypso
Reiser's case is more complicated than that. Anyway let's not bring it. 05/25/15 03:03 -ին Bob Hamը գրել է. On Sun, 2015-05-24 at 01:54 -0700, Brolin Empey wrote: Bob Ham wrote: I don't know any other free software developers who threaten to murder those who get in the way of their work. Hans Reiser? ;-) Hans Reiser murdered his wife who had left him, not someone who got in the way of his work. Your response is inappropriate and in extremely bad taste. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
Bob Ham wrote: On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 17:11 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: It is also a well-known fact that most free software developers derive great personal satisfaction from doing something that benefits a larger community True. However, there's a very big difference between deriving satisfaction from doing worthwhile work and being pathologically dependant on it. I don't know any other free software developers who threaten to murder those who get in the way of their work. Hans Reiser? ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On Sun, 2015-05-24 at 01:54 -0700, Brolin Empey wrote: Bob Ham wrote: I don't know any other free software developers who threaten to murder those who get in the way of their work. Hans Reiser? ;-) Hans Reiser murdered his wife who had left him, not someone who got in the way of his work. Your response is inappropriate and in extremely bad taste. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
but still very different from the the goals of Free Software. Are they very different? As long as this FreeCalypso code stays very obscure and marginal, in practice the difference might not matter that much. I think what you're saying is that from an Open Source point of view, his effort is just fine. But from a Free Software point of view, his effort is deeply flawed unless/until he/we start lobbying the copyright holder to Free the original code. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
FWIW, last I checked, his work does sadly not enjoy any of those freedoms. Yes, you *can* look at the code, change it, and redistribute it, but you're not legally allowed to because the source code he has is proprietary. le sigh Imagine you are broke and starving hungry (that's quite easy where I live) You notice that the local supermarket has forgotten to lock up the trash area, where they chuck out perfectly good food coz it's gone past an arbitrary sell by date. You load up a bag with vegetables and you now have some appealing choices:- 1. you can eat the stuff raw or cook it 2. you could add a load of crap to it as in a frozen ready meal or prepare in a wholesome recipe 3. you can share a meal with your starving spouse and mewling children 4. I dunno but I'm sure there is a four and more So you were slightly naughty and trespassed, you grabbed something that wasn't really yours, but it was **going to waste** and **no one really cares**. NOBODY loses and a one plus person gets a meal. Much better than running some binary blob you can't even look at, yes, Yes indeed, very much better but still very different from the the goals of Free Software. Are they very different? Well when are these different goals gonna lead anywhere in the case of a cell phone? I don't see anything other than freecalypso. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
Lets not forget - just one man working doggedly on the only project that offers any possibility of a cell phone running firmware that offers the four freedoms. FWIW, last I checked, his work does sadly not enjoy any of those freedoms. Yes, you *can* look at the code, change it, and redistribute it, but you're not legally allowed to because the source code he has is proprietary. Much better than running some binary blob you can't even look at, yes, but still very different from the the goals of Free Software. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
I guess I was misled by OsmocomBB's website; it certainly seems to be saying that that is exactly what it is--on the front page of http://bb.osmocom.org/: In short: By using OsmocomBB on a compatible phone, you will be able to make and receive phone calls, send and receive SMS, etc. based on Free Software only. As was mentioned here already the phone has to be connected to a laptop/PC as part of the GSM stack runs on this, rather than on the phone. There are use cases for such an arrangement no doubt, but not really as an end user phone to carry in your pocket. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: I disagree. The same pathological need still seems very much present. And the emphasis here is on the pathological. In your emails to this list, there is still a very strong strain of psychological disequilibrium and this is a bad thing, for the list, the wider community and for you. So what exactly do YOU seek to accomplish by deconstructing my motivations for working on the FreeCalypso project? Suppose you succeeded in convincing me to either drop the project or take it underground to where you'll never hear about it again - how would such a change benefit you or the wider community? On the other hand, you're saying that the only reason you need a mobile phone is to contact your loved ones. I don't understand why you can't use a land line with a firmware-less handset. I need *them* to be able to contact *me* freely while I roam around a rather large geographical area. The fact that you're currently using a mobile phone with a proprietary firmware without threatening to murder people shows that there's some contradictions in what you're saying. No act of murder would free my Pirelli DP-L10 from its proprietary fw, so I don't see why I should be threatening to murder anyone. The only thing that would indeed free my phone from proprietary fw is technical development work on my own FreeCalypso project, which I need to get back to. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: As I said, perhaps I can help you to achieve some peace. Your help in that department is unwelcome and unwanted. I kindly ask that you please stop your unwelcome intrusion into my personal life. However, an absence of your writings on this list would benefit me and the wider community in that in would elevate the environment to a more peaceful one. There are Freerunner and other phone users here who do appreciate hearing about progress made toward freedom-enabling phone firmware and hardware. So you'll just have to deal with it. Your emails are a mix of technical content and symptoms of your personal psychological problems. I am interested ONLY in the former. Since your thread is completely devoid of technical content, I am not interested in continuing it. The latter has a negative impact on the community. If your emails were technical content alone, there would be no problem. They *are* technical content alone when read without trolling intent. It is *your* choice to dig out a few occasional words which you don't like and use them as a justification to hijack a technical post and turn it into a lengthy non-technical noise thread. Unfortunately, free firmware in your phone won't actually bring you peace like you think it will. Whether it does or not is *absolutely* *none* *of* *your* *business*. SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On Wed, 2015-04-22 at 15:42 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: I disagree. The same pathological need still seems very much present. And the emphasis here is on the pathological. In your emails to this list, there is still a very strong strain of psychological disequilibrium and this is a bad thing, for the list, the wider community and for you. So what exactly do YOU seek to accomplish by deconstructing my motivations for working on the FreeCalypso project? As I said, perhaps I can help you to achieve some peace. When one person achieves some peace, we all benefit. Suppose you succeeded in convincing me to either drop the project or take it underground to where you'll never hear about it again - how would such a change benefit you or the wider community? My concern is not to convince you to drop the project or take it underground. I don't know where you got that idea from. However, an absence of your writings on this list would benefit me and the wider community in that in would elevate the environment to a more peaceful one. Let me pick out some of the individual key words which you've written recently and which I quoted in my last email: peasant unpaid only one hardship unprivileged nobody kidnap torture kill life-sacrifice hurt torture painful These words are not exactly uplifting. One doesn't need to be a psychiatrist to see that there some deep problems you're grappling with. You may not recognise or acknowledge those problems. You may not acknowledge that others can see the symptoms but we can. Your emails are a mix of technical content and symptoms of your personal psychological problems. The latter has a negative impact on the community. If your emails were technical content alone, there would be no problem. Unfortunately, free firmware in your phone won't actually bring you peace like you think it will. Because as soon as you got that phone, it would become clear that you're still bound by the proprietary firmware running on every GSM base station. And once you'd solved that problem, you'd go on to the next piece of proprietary firmware like the VGABIOS in your graphics card or the controller firmware on your hard disk. The phone is not the problem. The base station and laptop and hard disk are not the problem. The problem is within you, within your mind. You're not at peace. Unfortunately, there are no screws to tighten and no code to patch to fix your mind. On the other hand, you're saying that the only reason you need a mobile phone is to contact your loved ones. I don't understand why you can't use a land line with a firmware-less handset. I need *them* to be able to contact *me* freely while I roam around a rather large geographical area. Why? What is so important about needing a mobile phone for immediate contact? As I see it, the choices you had in the past were: 1) Let your family know the nearest landline you can be contacted on as you move around. 2) Use a phone with proprietary firmware. 3) Threaten murder. For some reason, you chose to threaten murder. Why? The fact that you're currently using a mobile phone with a proprietary firmware without threatening to murder people shows that there's some contradictions in what you're saying. No act of murder would free my Pirelli DP-L10 from its proprietary fw, How would murder have freed your Openmoko phone from its proprietary fw? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
As this thread/threat has not much to do with Openmoko, could you please move this away from this list, talk off-list about or create somewhere another mailing list for this idea. Thanks in advance matthias (long term user on GTA-02) -- Matthias Apitz, g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 +49-176-38902045 Wenn der Mensch von den Umständen gebildet wird, so muß man die Umstände menschlich bilden. Si el hombre es formado por las circunstancias entonces es necesario formar humanamente las circunstancias, Karl Marx in Die heilige Familie / La sagrada familia (MEW 2, 138) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: GSM What is it about GSM that would make you move across the world just to use it? Do your family and friends feel the same way about GSM? -- bye, pabs http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:PaulWise ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 21:28 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my life What would be the consequences if you didn't have a mobile phone to do that? I consider this status quo to be a very poor state of affairs That doesn't sound like a particularly grave consequence. Feeling that something is a very poor state of affairs doesn't seem like motivation for threatening murder. True. However, there's a very big difference between deriving satisfaction from doing worthwhile work and being pathologically dependant on it. I don't know any other free software developers who threaten to murder those who get in the way of their work. It looks like for you, the work isn't done just for satisfaction, it looks like a need. The need I had at that time has been satisfied, hence there is nothing relevant to the present in need of discussion here. I disagree. The same pathological need still seems very much present. And the emphasis here is on the pathological. In your emails to this list, there is still a very strong strain of psychological disequilibrium and this is a bad thing, for the list, the wider community and for you. On the one hand you're saying that your phone work is so important that your life withered away for two years because of it, and that it justifies threatening murder. On the other hand, you're saying that the only reason you need a mobile phone is to contact your loved ones. I don't understand why you can't use a land line with a firmware-less handset. The fact that you're currently using a mobile phone with a proprietary firmware without threatening to murder people shows that there's some contradictions in what you're saying. Either you're full of shit, or you're not aware that there are contradictions. Assuming you're not full of shit, examining the contradictions and making them conscious can help to resolve the internal conflicts which give rise to your dysfunctional behaviour. Of course, if you are full of shit then there's a whole other set of internal conflicts to deal with. You asked me how you torture yourself now. I'm trying to answer that question. In doing so, it's possible that the dysfunctional content of your regular expositions on this list can be resolved and we can all live more peacefully, including yourself. I'll provide you with some examples so that you're aware of what is inappropriate. Some of these are quite innocuous statements by themselves but their inappropriate nature becomes clear when seen as part of a pathological pattern: On Sat, 2015-04-18 at 06:15 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: my old peasant mind it has occupied me on and off (unpaid volunteer time is naturally limited) for a year and a half now Unfortunately there is only one of me The amount that's been raised ... will certainly help relieve my and Shannon's current severe hardship On Sat, 2015-04-18 at 17:41 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: unprivileged persons like me nobodies like me there is no longer any need for me to kidnap, torture or kill anyone there is no more need to resort to life-sacrifice means On Sat, 2015-04-18 at 21:32 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: your former coworkers who badly hurt me the 2 years of mental TORTURE you put me through the painful 2 y long episode ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: Why is your wellness dependant on a phone? Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my life, and I need this essential communication device to be free from closed black-box firmware. It is also a well-known fact that most free software developers derive great personal satisfaction from doing something that benefits a larger community, and my projects are no different in this regard. I consider it a very worthy use of my life to work on building a freedom-enabling and freedom-respecting personal communication device which many people will greatly appreciate having in their hands, pockets and purses - even if you specifically are not one of those people. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On 04/18/2015 08:30 AM, m...@dmatthews.org wrote: I'm impressed by‎ your dedication and detail, and I partly enjoy reading your updates +1 but s/partly/entirely [although I also didn't enjoy reading threats :-)] Lets not forget - just one man working doggedly on the only project that offers any possibility of a cell phone running firmware that offers the four freedoms. OsmocomBB? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On Sat, 2015-04-18 at 21:32 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: I am not asking you to publicly apologize for the 2 years of mental TORTURE you put me through They didn't put you through torture, you put yourself through it. You continue to do that now, in different ways. The person who you most need to apologise to is yourself. I wish you healing and wellness. Bob ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: OsmocomBB? Unfortunately they seem to have absolutely no interest in producing a phone (or firmware for a phone) which an end user could carry in her purse. Their software absolutely requires the phone to be tethered to a PC at all times (instead of running the GSM protocol stack on the baseband processor where it is supposed to run, they run it on the PC instead), and if the phone gets unplugged for even a moment, it immediately loses its ability to receive incoming calls and SMS. Furthermore, the state of OsmocomBB today (for normal GSM usage, NOT hacking) is exactly the same today as it was in late 2010 or early 2011: zero progress made in 4 years. It is very unfortunate indeed: the people behind OsmocomBB know GSM far better than I do, and I am fairly sure that they are very capable of making their GPLed GSM stack work on a phone in a practically usable manner if they wanted to. But apparently they have no interest in such a project, and I don't have any supernatural powers to make them work on something they are not interested in. Therefore, I am doing the only thing that *is* within my power and which *will* result in a practically usable phone running source- enabled firmware: working on my own alternative non-OsmocomBB implementation, called FreeCalypso. Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: They didn't put you through torture, you put yourself through it. You continue to do that now, in different ways. Just out of curiosity, how do you think I am torturing myself now? The person who you most need to apologise to is yourself. For what? For wanting to have a phone that doesn't suck? For wanting to have a phone such that if something doesn't work because of a bug in the firmware, I can fix it myself instead of throwing it out and getting a new one in a vain hope that it will work better? I don't see any wrongdoing in having such a desire or in working toward its satisfaction - hence I don't see what I should be apologizing to myself for. I wish you healing and wellness. Those will happen automatically as soon as I have a phone in my purse that runs my own firmware. I am actively working toward the latter, and don't need anything from you. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my life What would be the consequences if you didn't have a mobile phone to do that? I do have a mobile phone for communicating with my family and friends etc, and have had one continuously since 2003. However, all of these phones I've been using run firmware for which I have no source (and given their age and the ephemeral nature of proprietary sw, I consider it highly likely that no one else in the entire world has it either, i.e., it's lost, gone to the great bit bucket in the sky), and this lack of firmware source code prevents me from being able to fix functional bugs or modify the UI design to my own personal taste. I consider this status quo to be a very poor state of affairs, and because I just happen to have the right knowledge and skills (and since the fall of 2013, the necessary starting materials) to improve the situation, I choose to work on the latter. True. However, there's a very big difference between deriving satisfaction from doing worthwhile work and being pathologically dependant on it. I don't know any other free software developers who threaten to murder those who get in the way of their work. It looks like for you, the work isn't done just for satisfaction, it looks like a need. The need I had at that time has been satisfied, hence there is nothing relevant to the present in need of discussion here. Nothing to see here, move along. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 17:11 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: Why is your wellness dependant on a phone? Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my life What would be the consequences if you didn't have a mobile phone to do that? It is also a well-known fact that most free software developers derive great personal satisfaction from doing something that benefits a larger community True. However, there's a very big difference between deriving satisfaction from doing worthwhile work and being pathologically dependant on it. I don't know any other free software developers who threaten to murder those who get in the way of their work. It looks like for you, the work isn't done just for satisfaction, it looks like a need. On Sat, 2015-04-18 at 17:41 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: I do not owe any apology to a bunch of sadists who got some kind of sexual gratification out of watching my life wither away (for a full 2 years!) How did your life wither away? What happened? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: I do have a mobile phone for communicating with my family and friends In 2017, ATT will be shutting down their GSM network in the USA in favour of 3G/4G. Macau is planning to shut down their GSM services in June 2015. I would hazard a guess that GSM will be shut down worldwide at some point, probably sooner in the USA. So eventually GTA02 and Calypo will be less useful for communication as they would need an external device or some method of device-to-device communication like the Serval Mesh. What is your plan for the transition away from GSM? http://mashable.com/2012/08/04/att-2g-wireless/ http://www.dsrt.gov.mo/por/News/special/PressRelease2gArrangementAndInvestigationRpt.html -- bye, pabs http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:PaulWise ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
Paul Wise pa...@bonedaddy.net wrote: In 2017, ATT will be shutting down their GSM network in the USA in favour of 3G/4G. If ATT likes losing customers, it's their choice. I use T-Mobile (satisfied customer since 2003 with just one short break before I entered the libre phone scene in 2011), and I saw somewhere that although they are reducing GSM/2G capacity, they will leave a tiny sliver around. A tiny sliver is all I need. Macau is planning to shut down their GSM services in June 2015. Yeah, I saw that news a while back and crossed Macau off the list of places I would ever want to live or do business in. I would hazard a guess that GSM will be shut down worldwide at some point, probably sooner in the USA. So eventually GTA02 and Calypo will be less useful for communication as they would need an external device or some method of device-to-device communication like the Serval Mesh. What is your plan for the transition away from GSM? The plan is simple: if GSM service in my current neck of the woods gets shut down, move to some tiny island banana republic where getting a spectrum license to operate my own GSM cell just for my family's own use would be as simple and inexpensive as befriending/bribing the local drug czar who is the de facto owner of the island. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Lets not forget - just one man working doggedly on the only project that offers any possibility of a cell phone running firmware that offers the four freedoms. OsmocomBB? No A fine project I have no doubt, but it's not aimed at producing firmware for an end-user phone. I believe it's fair to say it's a hacking/investigative tool, but I'm happy to be corrected by anyone that actually uses or works on it. I appreciated the information on the unlock cable that they provide:- http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/Hardware/SerialCable -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 15:38 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: I wish you healing and wellness. Those will happen automatically as soon as I have a phone in my purse that runs my own firmware. Why is your wellness dependant on a phone? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I'm impressed byâ your dedication and detail, and I partly enjoy reading your updates +1 but s/partly/entirely [although I also didn't enjoy reading threats :-)] Lets not forget - just one man working doggedly on the only project that offers any possibility of a cell phone running firmware that offers the four freedoms. In recognition of the fact that this project is going beyond the leo2moko firmware port and the freerunner itself, I've updated the links to the howtos I wrote for the existing firmware and tools that Michael has released:- http://matthews.pm/freecalypso.html (formerly http://matthews.pm/leo2moko.html) There should not be any broken links, but if you do see any, please let me know. Finally, please do donate generously - to Michael, not myself ^_~ -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote: but I find it hard to forget the unacceptably violent threats that you've made in the past (on this list) towards particular people. The people you are referring to tormented me in the most heinous manner for a full 2 years (from the fall of 2011 till about the same time in 2013), and the threats you are referring to were not so much threats as tentative contingency plans. *All* of the work that I've done on the FreeCalypso project so far has been possible *only* because the playing field was finally leveled in the fall of 2013 with the publishing of a source equivalent to the one that was wrongfully denied to unprivileged persons like me in the prior years: now everyone in the world, including nobodies like me, has access to exactly the same set of starting point materials. I would never had been able to work on a project like FreeCalypso - neither technically nor emotionally - while there were persons in the so-called community taunting me with we have this source which would make a night-and-day difference for your project, but we'll never let you have it - therefore, making plans of a life-for-a-life exchange (giving up my own life after torturing and killing them) was my only available option under those circumstances. I wonder if you might now consider retracting and apologising for those, Retracting: sure, now that the playing field has been leveled and everyone including me has access to the same set of starting point materials, there is no longer any need for me to kidnap, torture or kill anyone. Apologising: hell no! I do not owe any apology to a bunch of sadists who got some kind of sexual gratification out of watching my life wither away (for a full 2 years!) without access to the one and only piece of pirate ware (TCS211 semi-src given by TI to a whole bunch of phone and modem manufacturers in 2007) which I needed in order to have a purposeful, meaningful and productive life. And I *do* have that purposeful, meaningful and productive life now, thanks to the Russian comrade who helped me obtain (and publish to the rest of the world) a copy of that TCS211 semi-src - but I don't owe any apologies to anyone. and undertake not to repeat similar in future? Sure: the playing field is now level, I have all of the starting point materials I need, and the rest of the world has them too through my FTP site and physical DVD-R distributions, so there is no more need to resort to life-sacrifice means. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sat 18 April 2015 17:41:02 Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: I would never had been able to work on a project like FreeCalypso - neither technically nor emotionally - while there were persons in the so-called community taunting me with we have this source which would make a night-and-day difference for your project, but we'll never let you have it - therefore, making plans of a life-for-a-life exchange (giving up my own life after torturing and killing them) was my only available option under those circumstances. without any words. Guess about our motivation to cooperate with somebody as mad as this futile effort to educate persons with such mental issues. s/educate/cure/ ETX /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign /\ against html e-mail - against proprietary attachments http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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futile effort to educate persons with such mental issues. s/educate/cure/ yeah crazy - the four freedoms on a cell phone - only a nut case would dream that one up -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sat 18 April 2015 20:22:31 m...@dmatthews.org wrote: yeah crazy - the four freedoms on a cell phone - only a nut case would dream that one up you're completely missing the point. this guy threatening OM and me personally to kill me when I don't grant him access to sources which even OM had unclear permissions in (since received form FIC and not directly from TI, initially) and for sure would be liable when disclosing them to a nut case psycho who thinks it's his natural right to have access to them and to threaten *us* (OpenMoko) instead of maybe TI with assault and murder when we don't grant him access. OM was *very* liberal with granting access to virtually *everything* to *everybody* who showed a *little bit* of common sense about avoiding possible damage to OpenMoko when getting access to that material whatever it been. We explicitly decided that any such common sense is NOT to be found in *this particular person* who rather threatens to kill us than considering how to cooperate in a reasonable manner that maximizes benefit and limits possible damage on both sides. And evidently nothing has changed, the line of argumentation is all the same since years. so: futile effort. File closed. -- () ascii ribbon campaign /\ against html e-mail - against proprietary attachments http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On Sat 18 April 2015 09:41:03 n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote: I wonder if you might now consider retracting and apologising for those, and undertake not to repeat similar in future? Thanks for brining it up, Neil. Alas, you see, it's in vain. Despite all the good will from our side. This guy was probably born in a cinema during a Rambo movie. ;-) Maybe he *needs* that attitude that only he and his AK-47 can change the world, and everybody except himself is on the wrong side of that AK-47. Some people need that sort of challenge to push up the importance and perceived burden of their own struggle. In Germany we have the saying Viel Feind, viel Ehr. Worst case - and with according mental problems - you consider your allies your worst enemies just to keep that attitude. And you know Leroy Jethro Gibbs: never apologize! ;) /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign /\ against html e-mail - against proprietary attachments http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On Sat 18 April 2015 21:32:21 Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: I am not asking you to publicly apologize for the 2 years of mental TORTURE you put me through - so why are people asking me to apologize for my reaction to that torture? Listen buddy! NOBODY TORTURED YOU, except you yourself did that maybe. OM not even approached you, we simply ignored you as far as any possible. When that's torturing then what is it YOU are doing to me - right now? What would ypou say when now *I* would claim you're torturing me by not granting me that apardon for your inappropriate behavior? Would you appreciate me threatening you, your family and coworkers, to get that pardon from you? And you have to admit that *you* started this particular thread by addressing me with your extorting efforts. NOT I did anything that would now result in me awaiting a public apology for the former (and recent) public threatening (not to mention the lying and badmouthing and...) -- () ascii ribbon campaign /\ against html e-mail - against proprietary attachments http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote: Thanks for brining it up, Neil. Alas, you see, it's in vain. Despite al= l the=20 good will from our side. [...] I don't hold any grudges against you. I don't consider you an enemy. I don't have any ill will toward you or any of your former coworkers who badly hurt me. I got what I needed, and at least from my side, all past is forgiven. But I don't believe that I owe any apologies to anyone. I am not asking you to publicly apologize for the 2 years of mental TORTURE you put me through - so why are people asking me to apologize for my reaction to that torture? have access to them and to threaten *us* (OpenMoko) instead of maybe TI= with=20 assault and murder when we don't grant him access. Maybe TI? What makes you think that there *even one person* in the present-day TI who even knows/remembers that they were once in that business, let alone has a copy of any sources from those days? As far as I know, all TI offices where that work was done were closed and all associated employees were laid off. I consider it very likely that present-day TI as a company *does not have a copy* of any of these sources, except for whatever they may have downloaded from my FTP site or the like. At the time of the painful 2 y long episode in question, I believed (and had every good reason to believe) that you were holding the world's last remaining copy. I think it's time we put that past behind us and move on with our lives and with whatever productive work we can do. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
A non-technical comment that you can take or leave - but it is my genuine response to your writings... I'm impressed by your dedication and detail, and I partly enjoy reading your updates; but I find it hard to forget the unacceptably violent threats that you've made in the past (on this list) towards particular people. I wonder if you might now consider retracting and apologising for those, and undertake not to repeat similar in future? Viva la humanidad! Neil Original Message From: Spacefalcon the Outlaw Sent: Saturday, 18 April 2015 07:29 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Reply To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: State of FreeCalypso Hello community, This periodic post is a summary of the goals of the FreeCalypso family of projects and the high-level status toward their achievement. Goals = The overall end goals of the project are, in no particular order: 1. Produce a standalone realization of Openmoko's modem. I have had occasion to work with various GSM modems and phones acting as modems (presenting an AT command interface) since A.D. 2000, and the modem in the Freerunner is by far the nicest I've ever touched. TI's implementation of the GSM specs is the richest in terms of functionality (contrast with the lack of CSD support in most 3G+ USB stick modems), and thanks to the Leonardo semi-src find, we now have full visibility into its inner workings. But it's a shame that this awesome GSM+GPRS modem is currently tucked away in the guts of the Freerunner, inaccessible to anyone besides the tiny handful of active FR owners/users - and even when one does have a Freerunner, it is not possible to take the FR's AP subsystem out of the picture and use the modem directly from an external host; one has to go through the AP instead, severely limiting the ability to use this modem outside of the FR. Hence I would like to build a modem just like Om's, but brought out on a board by itself, with external connections for power and the two UARTs. And throw in a quadband RFFE and a higher capacity flash+pSRAM chip while at it. 2. Produce a practically usable phone that runs practically free firmware, i.e., fw whose source every user is empowered to study and improve or otherwise modify. Note the emphasis on practical usability. I hear from FR owners that the practical usability of the FR as a phone is rather poor, and because there is absolutely nothing wrong with the modem (hw or fw), the defects in usability must be the result of some flaw(s) in the AP subsystem - a subsystem which from my PoV is nothing but unwanted complexity. And I would never be able to use my FR as a personal phone because it would require running something like QtMoko, and that stuff is far too complex for my old peasant mind. Free software which is far too complex for me to understand and work with comfortably is little different from proprietary sw from the purely practical standpoint - it's a impenetrable black box in practical terms. Therefore, the only way for me to have a practically usable phone that runs practically free firmware is to produce a non-smart phone, a plain phone with no AP subsystem. The long-term solution is to build my own handset hardware, but in the short term it would be OK to use not-quite-fitting but already existing hardware like Pirelli and Motorola phones. 3. Produce a FreeCalypso modem module that could be used in the place of off-the-shelf proprietary ones by free smartphone projects like Neo900. I would like to buy a couple of Neo900 units for two of my family members, but cannot do so for as long as the product includes a modem module from an immoral vendor who withholds source code and documentation and imposes restricted boot barriers to alternative firmware implementations. To the person who emailed me off-list and asked if I could design my FreeCalypso modem in the form factor matching Gemalto's so it could be a drop-in replacement: yes, I still like that idea very much and would like to do it, but I'm unsure whether I can manage such a task by myself, so we may need to work on it together. I also think that it would be easier if I prove my basic design first on a non-form-factor-constrained board, and then go through the form factor gymnastics as a second step. So the above 3 are the overall goals of the FreeCalypso family of projects. Out of those, goal 2 (practically usable non-smart phone running free fw) has been my main focus because it is the one that would improve my own quality of life: I am sick and tired of dealing with Pirelli's proprietary fw (I use a Pirelli DP-L10 as my personal daily phone, running its original proprietary fw as nothing better exists yet - better as in more free *and* practically usable), and I really, really, really want to replace it with my own free firmware. Firmware subproject === The firmware subproject of FreeCalypso is leading up toward an intermediate goal which is not listed among the end
